What is Israel supposed to do? I'm genuinely asking. I'm not implying what they have done is what should've happened but I'm genuinely puzzled what the imagined alternative would have been. You don't react to Hamas's attack by packing up your shit and leaving. You don't respond to it by asking what your enemy would like you to do differently so that this doesn't happen again. You retaliate. It's blatantly obvious that's what you do especially since they have a superior military. How do you retaliate? That is the question I'd like answered. What is a reasonable and justifiable retaliation to their act?
If you catch a kid throwing rocks at windows you don't shoot them or punch them in the face but you don't pat them on the head either and give them candy. There are better and worse ways to deal with it here.
You legitimately target Hamas with actual precision attacks. If they're hiding under a hospital, you go down there and deal with them, you don't bomb the fucking hospital.
Have they bombed a hospital?
How do you "go down there" exactly? You just walk in and ask where the entrance is? Your solution is quite vague.
Yes. It was major worldwide news reported by every MSM outlet.
You're speaking of the incident when a rocket hit Al-Alhi hospital's parking lot? That is not example of Israel bombing a hospital. It's quite universally agreed it was a rogue hamas rocket.
Not just that, they blew off the head of a 12 year old girl that was lying in a hospital with a tank shot.
That girl was lying in that hospital because she got her leg amputated and her entire family killed in an israeli airstrike.
Given the level of knowledge you just displayed it appears to be you who is quite vague, what he said was perfectly clear to most of us
I'm only finding articles for the Al-Ahli incident so that's why I'm asking. I'm not aware of Israel bombing any hospitals but I'm sure you can educate me.
if they know its there they'll know how people get in and out of it.
How do you retaliate? That is the question I’d like answered. What is a reasonable and justifiable retaliation to their act?
Retaliation is in the first place a wrong answer, because Hamas's whole existence is retaliation to Israel's aggression against Palestinians.
This in no shape or form answers my question and is exactly what's frustrating about the situation. I only hear critizism but never solutions.
They're intentionally not answering your question because they find your question invalid and asked in bad faith.
No that was the solution. Prisoner deal and then build a two state solution if they were willing.
But they are not willing. The israelis are Nazis. The only party that is closed to negotiation is israel.
Israel is definitely open to negotiation and has made efforts for peace, by allowing Palestinians to work in Israel. Israel has complete economic and military superiority over Palestine/Hamas, and if they really wanted to, they could literally turn Palestine into a beach. But they won't, because that's not their goal, unlike Hamas, and many Arab countries, would love nothing more than the genocide of the Jews.
if they really wanted to, they could literally turn Palestine into a beach. But they won’t
How can you say this unironically given the obscene level of destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza? It’s just completely detached from objective reality.
Israel could do what Hamas would do if they had the capability and that is indiscriminately murder every single person on the other side of the border. Israel never had to enter Gaza in the first place. They could have just bombed down every single building there and flatten the whole territory and snipe every survivor with drones and not lose a single Israeli fighter. They didn't.
They could have just bombed down every single building there and flatten the whole territory
They’re well on there way to do just that having leveled about a third of all the buildings in Gaza with no signs of stopping the bombing.
Israel has killed over twenty two thousand Gazans. That’s roughly 1% of the population. The vast majority of the survivors have been displaced from their homes.
Face the reality, this is exactly what indiscriminate murder and genocide looks like. If you choose to believe otherwise you’re just willfully lying to yourself.
I'm simply asking what the preferred alterative would've been but nobody seems to be interested in answering. At no point have I said that what they're currently doing is optimal as it quite clearly isn't.
They could do literally anything other than indiscriminate artillery and bombing campaigns. They target hospitals, schools, and refugee camps and you ask "what else are they supposed to do?"
Considering Gaza is inside of Israel technically, and Israeli intelligence is some of the best and most funded in the entire world, the IDF should have a very clear understanding of where Hamas militants are.
The IDF is equipped with all of the latest American toys. They know how to find people that don't want to be found. They're just doing genocide.
What is this hospital bombing everyone is talking about? Every single article I'm finding is about the Al-Alhi incident.
How do you know they are indiscriminately bombing? How do you know they purposefully targeting civilians hospitals and schools? We're not talking about Hamas here, which openly has been doing that constantly, for decades. With child suicide bombers mind you.
Politically obviously there's not going to be electoral punishment in Israel for killing people who cant vote in your elections. This isnt even about retaliation its about retaliation theater. Obviously the people they're killing mostly had nothing to do with the attacks.
They could drop less bombs but it seems like the Israeli army is understaffed and they're unwilling to conscript their yahoo settlers and take them away from harassing the west bank to send them to gaza where at least they might kill less children than the neighborhood leveling air strikes.
If the weapon supply line were threatened to be cut off, Israeli politicians would reluctantly dial down the genocide and they've even suggested as much. But so far it hasn't happened yet because whoever stops this will be blamed for the next terror attack (and there will 100% be another one) and will become enemy #1 in Israel.
So Joe Biden is cowardly hoping some european countries decide to do something so he doesn't become the guy who pisses off the Imperial outpost in the middle east.
What is Israel supposed to do? I'm genuinely asking. I'm not implying what they have done is what should've happened but I'm genuinely puzzled what the imagined alternative would have been. You don't react to Hamas's attack by packing up your shit and leaving. You don't respond to it by asking what your enemy would like you to do differently so that this doesn't happen again. You retaliate. It's blatantly obvious that's what you do especially since they have a superior military. How do you retaliate? That is the question I'd like answered. What is a reasonable and justifiable retaliation to their act?
If you catch a kid throwing rocks at windows you don't shoot them or punch them in the face but you don't pat them on the head either and give them candy. There are better and worse ways to deal with it here.
You legitimately target Hamas with actual precision attacks. If they're hiding under a hospital, you go down there and deal with them, you don't bomb the fucking hospital.
Have they bombed a hospital?
How do you "go down there" exactly? You just walk in and ask where the entrance is? Your solution is quite vague.
Yes. It was major worldwide news reported by every MSM outlet.
You're speaking of the incident when a rocket hit Al-Alhi hospital's parking lot? That is not example of Israel bombing a hospital. It's quite universally agreed it was a rogue hamas rocket.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-killing-children-in-gaza
Not just that, they blew off the head of a 12 year old girl that was lying in a hospital with a tank shot.
That girl was lying in that hospital because she got her leg amputated and her entire family killed in an israeli airstrike.
Given the level of knowledge you just displayed it appears to be you who is quite vague, what he said was perfectly clear to most of us
I'm only finding articles for the Al-Ahli incident so that's why I'm asking. I'm not aware of Israel bombing any hospitals but I'm sure you can educate me.
if they know its there they'll know how people get in and out of it.
Retaliation is in the first place a wrong answer, because Hamas's whole existence is retaliation to Israel's aggression against Palestinians.
This in no shape or form answers my question and is exactly what's frustrating about the situation. I only hear critizism but never solutions.
They're intentionally not answering your question because they find your question invalid and asked in bad faith.
No that was the solution. Prisoner deal and then build a two state solution if they were willing.
But they are not willing. The israelis are Nazis. The only party that is closed to negotiation is israel.
Israel is definitely open to negotiation and has made efforts for peace, by allowing Palestinians to work in Israel. Israel has complete economic and military superiority over Palestine/Hamas, and if they really wanted to, they could literally turn Palestine into a beach. But they won't, because that's not their goal, unlike Hamas, and many Arab countries, would love nothing more than the genocide of the Jews.
How can you say this unironically given the obscene level of destruction Israel has inflicted on Gaza? It’s just completely detached from objective reality.
Israel could do what Hamas would do if they had the capability and that is indiscriminately murder every single person on the other side of the border. Israel never had to enter Gaza in the first place. They could have just bombed down every single building there and flatten the whole territory and snipe every survivor with drones and not lose a single Israeli fighter. They didn't.
They’re well on there way to do just that having leveled about a third of all the buildings in Gaza with no signs of stopping the bombing.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/08/the-numbers-that-reveal-the-extent-of-the-destruction-in-gaza
Israel has killed over twenty two thousand Gazans. That’s roughly 1% of the population. The vast majority of the survivors have been displaced from their homes.
Face the reality, this is exactly what indiscriminate murder and genocide looks like. If you choose to believe otherwise you’re just willfully lying to yourself.
I'm simply asking what the preferred alterative would've been but nobody seems to be interested in answering. At no point have I said that what they're currently doing is optimal as it quite clearly isn't.
Tell that with a straight face to people in the west bank.
What negotiation? Remember 2013?
They could do literally anything other than indiscriminate artillery and bombing campaigns. They target hospitals, schools, and refugee camps and you ask "what else are they supposed to do?"
Considering Gaza is inside of Israel technically, and Israeli intelligence is some of the best and most funded in the entire world, the IDF should have a very clear understanding of where Hamas militants are.
The IDF is equipped with all of the latest American toys. They know how to find people that don't want to be found. They're just doing genocide.
What is this hospital bombing everyone is talking about? Every single article I'm finding is about the Al-Alhi incident.
How do you know they are indiscriminately bombing? How do you know they purposefully targeting civilians hospitals and schools? We're not talking about Hamas here, which openly has been doing that constantly, for decades. With child suicide bombers mind you.
Politically obviously there's not going to be electoral punishment in Israel for killing people who cant vote in your elections. This isnt even about retaliation its about retaliation theater. Obviously the people they're killing mostly had nothing to do with the attacks.
They could drop less bombs but it seems like the Israeli army is understaffed and they're unwilling to conscript their yahoo settlers and take them away from harassing the west bank to send them to gaza where at least they might kill less children than the neighborhood leveling air strikes.
If the weapon supply line were threatened to be cut off, Israeli politicians would reluctantly dial down the genocide and they've even suggested as much. But so far it hasn't happened yet because whoever stops this will be blamed for the next terror attack (and there will 100% be another one) and will become enemy #1 in Israel.
So Joe Biden is cowardly hoping some european countries decide to do something so he doesn't become the guy who pisses off the Imperial outpost in the middle east.