This is such a non-thing that it hurts to even consider how stupid it is.
But, let’s consider:
The Super Bowl is a private corporate event; any song may be performed ceremoniously. That’s protected speech.
Not standing up for the Black National Anthem is whatever. That’s protected speech.
The Black National Anthem is a colloquial title and has no legal status. That’s protected speech.
While there is a statute outlying etiquette for performances of the National Anthem, there are no penalties for not adhering. That’s protected speech.
“America the Beautiful” was also performed and there’s no legal basis for etiquette or participation. This song also has a long history of being performed alongside the Star-Spangled Banner to the point that it’s sometimes referred to as the National Hymn, even though that is a colloquial and non-legal designation. That’s protected speech.
This is apparently the fourth year that “Lift Every Voice and Sing” has been performed at the Super Bowl. That’s protected speech.
Republicans are anti free speech and always have been. ✅
Remember they believe in Don't thread on me. Weird
Nah, they believe in "No Step on Snek"
Especially when it goes against their religion. And they follow the American civic religion
Oh, who are you kidding? Everyone is against mah freeze peach as long as they get to choose what gets said.
Your statement presupposes that MAGAs are mad because this is somehow illegal. How did you come to such a conclusion?
They didn't, at least not in what I read.
They're just outlining how stupid the argument is.
They made 6 statements, each ending with "that's protected speech", referred to a "legal basis" and "legal status", and mentioned that the SuperbOwl was a private event, as if someone was implying otherwise. Not sure how else you interpret that but please share if you have another perspective.
E: LOL you people are literally delusional. Zero objectivity.
All of those six statements were predicated with “This is such a non-thing that it hurts to even consider how stupid it is.“
Ergo, let’s not make it a thing…
And then they immediately "made it a thing" by writing out a strawman argument, which I addressed. I don't understand where the confusion is coming from.
No, they didn't. The point that were made all stated that everything's protected by free speech. No one here is upset about the Black National Anthem being sung, you're just trying to stir up shit. Ergo, DON'T MAKE IT A THING.
No, they didn't.
Yes. They did.
The point that were made all stated that everything's protected by free speech.
Yes, I got that. My point (once again) is no one thinks it is illegal, which makes the argument it a strawman (ie: arguing against a point no one is making).
No one here is upset about the Black National Anthem being sung
Oh look, another strawman.
Ergo, DON'T MAKE IT A THING.
I'm really not sure what this is supposed to mean in this context. I didn't "make it a thing". It was "made a thing" by whoever decided to sing it, the people who were upset by it, the article that was published, and the person replying to the article before I even knew it took place.
Oh look, someone trying to stir up a dumb argument on the internet because they need attention.
Yes, that's definitely what's happening. I need attention from anonymous strangers on the internet. 🤦♂️ It's definitely not that someone had a bad take. Deny deny deny.
Yes, that’s definitely what’s happening. I need attention from anonymous strangers on the internet.
ooh look, another strawman argument. strawman arguments all over the place today!
I don't think you understand what that means
I understand perfectly. It means this is not a thing, and you never should have tried to make it one.
You don't know what a straw man argument is do you?
Of course I do. I've already explained it elsewhere. It's when someone (like the person I replied to) fabricates a fallacious argument their opposition supposedly holds (like the idea that singing a particular song is illegal) and then tries to tear down the argument they themselves fabricated as evidence that their opposition is wrong.
This is such a non-thing that it hurts to even consider how stupid it is.
You missed statement 0.
No. I didn't.
Oh okay so you chose to ignore it and draw your own conclusions at what point they were making, got it.
Once again, no, I did not.
Dog they just listed reasons they think the maga reaction is stupid and you've got a whole write up as to why maga doesn't care about legality. You missed the plot it's okay.
Dog they just listed reasons they think the maga reaction is stupid and you've got a whole write up
I did not write "a whole write up", dog. It was 2 sentences. All of their reasons were legal, which is what I addressed.
as to why maga doesn't care about legality.
🤦♂️ No. Wrong again. My point was that it's not a legal issue.
We know that though. We know they only care because they're racist. The commenter doesn't care if it's a legal issue or not. They just think it's stupid and listed 6 reasons they think that. Move on it ain't that deep.
The commenter doesn't care if it's a legal issue or not.
Then why did they take the time to list 6 reasons why it's legal? 🤷
Just put your shovel down and move on.
Because it highlights a very obvious reason they have no reason to complain other than racism. This is like the fucking "I like waffles" tweet manifesting itself.
The larger context of why anyone is talking about what is sung at the Super Bowl should have been enough of a set up, but apparently not.
This entire stunt is predicated on the right’s frustration that they couldn’t do anything about black athletes and allies being disrespectful during the National Anthem (a legally defined song with etiquette spelled out in the US legal code), which is protected speech.
Now, in my opinion, they have a Super Bowl to posture about eight months before a presidential election. They want sound bites and over-the-top reactions so that they can paint themselves the victims of a hypocritical, leftist, anti-freedom conspiratorial media machine. This part of that “projection” plank in the modern GOP.
My original post was simply outlining that no matter how you slice it, there is nothing to be mad about them “protesting” the Black National Anthem. I added in a rhetorical refrain to drive home the point while beating a dead horse for effect.
I don't think the nfl is what protected speech is about. They're welcome to be morons.
I never understand this argument from Americans.
Why can't people be pissed off with what a private company does? Like if there is a sweet company that makes blueberry flavour and it's the best. If they stop selling it then I can be pissed. The argument "well it's a private company it can do what it wants" is in no way related to if I get to be pissed at it.
They have freedom to do as they please, but whining about it does about as much as whining about blueberry flavor.
We aren't saying you can't be pissed, we are saying it is completely stupid that you are pissed and there is nothing you can do. There are far more things to be worried about in this country. We are eating ourselves alive, life expectancy is dropping, suicide rate and overdose rate is climbing, our jobs are being given to foreign countries and robots, no one owns anything anymore.
I'm starting to believe people whine about these pointless things in order to avoid confronting the more complicated and deeply rooted issues we have.
Culture and community is absolutely important to a lot of people. In fact it could be very important for happiness.
Maybe people don't care about monetary things as much as you. Or maybe they care about both. It's possible to care about everything you said and the superbowl.
The only people not thinking about money are those who are privileged by wealth.
Some of us paid for our own school, car, etc. some had a $100k head start. Willing to bet you are in that second group.
If people care about these things why are so few people talking about it? Why are we whining about flavors and pop stars so much instead?
It's cool that you don't have to worry about the future, but some of us want our children to not be slaves
No. My capitalist country paid for most of my education the rest I paid for on a low interest government backed loan. Total came to just over a years median salary.
I used my grandads old car as it was largely worthless until it completely died on me within a year then I bought my own secondhand car. But that was after uni and working for a bit, so I used my own money for that car.
my government gave me a loan at 6.8%. The amount I have paid into it is the same as the original principle amount, I still owe 80% of it because of the interest. I am making 2x the average American and am still on a hamster wheel of the capitalist death cult. I will never own anything at this rate
Yes the poltical system in America is terrible.
But there are more capitalist countries without stupid education loans than with, it's kinda just you guys. You really need some form of proporional representation.
Well, you can choose the things you care about. Why waste your energy getting upset about something that has zero negative consequences in your life when you could be doing something productive, <s> like arguing on Lemmy? </s>
Exactly we all wasting our time here.
I have no problem, as a concept, with people complaining about things there care about.
This is such a non-thing that it hurts to even consider how stupid it is.
But, let’s consider:
The Super Bowl is a private corporate event; any song may be performed ceremoniously. That’s protected speech.
Not standing up for the Black National Anthem is whatever. That’s protected speech.
The Black National Anthem is a colloquial title and has no legal status. That’s protected speech.
While there is a statute outlying etiquette for performances of the National Anthem, there are no penalties for not adhering. That’s protected speech.
“America the Beautiful” was also performed and there’s no legal basis for etiquette or participation. This song also has a long history of being performed alongside the Star-Spangled Banner to the point that it’s sometimes referred to as the National Hymn, even though that is a colloquial and non-legal designation. That’s protected speech.
This is apparently the fourth year that “Lift Every Voice and Sing” has been performed at the Super Bowl. That’s protected speech.
Republicans are anti free speech and always have been. ✅
Remember they believe in Don't thread on me. Weird
Nah, they believe in "No Step on Snek"
Especially when it goes against their religion. And they follow the American civic religion
Oh, who are you kidding? Everyone is against mah freeze peach as long as they get to choose what gets said.
Not how that works buddy
Your statement presupposes that MAGAs are mad because this is somehow illegal. How did you come to such a conclusion?
They didn't, at least not in what I read.
They're just outlining how stupid the argument is.
They made 6 statements, each ending with "that's protected speech", referred to a "legal basis" and "legal status", and mentioned that the SuperbOwl was a private event, as if someone was implying otherwise. Not sure how else you interpret that but please share if you have another perspective.
E: LOL you people are literally delusional. Zero objectivity.
All of those six statements were predicated with “This is such a non-thing that it hurts to even consider how stupid it is.“
Ergo, let’s not make it a thing…
And then they immediately "made it a thing" by writing out a strawman argument, which I addressed. I don't understand where the confusion is coming from.
No, they didn't. The point that were made all stated that everything's protected by free speech. No one here is upset about the Black National Anthem being sung, you're just trying to stir up shit. Ergo, DON'T MAKE IT A THING.
Yes. They did.
Yes, I got that. My point (once again) is no one thinks it is illegal, which makes the argument it a strawman (ie: arguing against a point no one is making).
Oh look, another strawman.
I'm really not sure what this is supposed to mean in this context. I didn't "make it a thing". It was "made a thing" by whoever decided to sing it, the people who were upset by it, the article that was published, and the person replying to the article before I even knew it took place.
Oh look, someone trying to stir up a dumb argument on the internet because they need attention.
Yes, that's definitely what's happening. I need attention from anonymous strangers on the internet. 🤦♂️ It's definitely not that someone had a bad take. Deny deny deny.
ooh look, another strawman argument. strawman arguments all over the place today!
I don't think you understand what that means
I understand perfectly. It means this is not a thing, and you never should have tried to make it one.
You don't know what a straw man argument is do you?
Of course I do. I've already explained it elsewhere. It's when someone (like the person I replied to) fabricates a fallacious argument their opposition supposedly holds (like the idea that singing a particular song is illegal) and then tries to tear down the argument they themselves fabricated as evidence that their opposition is wrong.
You missed statement 0.
No. I didn't.
Oh okay so you chose to ignore it and draw your own conclusions at what point they were making, got it.
Once again, no, I did not.
Dog they just listed reasons they think the maga reaction is stupid and you've got a whole write up as to why maga doesn't care about legality. You missed the plot it's okay.
I did not write "a whole write up", dog. It was 2 sentences. All of their reasons were legal, which is what I addressed.
🤦♂️ No. Wrong again. My point was that it's not a legal issue.
We know that though. We know they only care because they're racist. The commenter doesn't care if it's a legal issue or not. They just think it's stupid and listed 6 reasons they think that. Move on it ain't that deep.
Then why did they take the time to list 6 reasons why it's legal? 🤷
Just put your shovel down and move on.
Because it highlights a very obvious reason they have no reason to complain other than racism. This is like the fucking "I like waffles" tweet manifesting itself.
In this context "that's protected speech" means roughly, "STFU maga, nothing you can do about it, and you have no basis for your tantum."
The larger context of why anyone is talking about what is sung at the Super Bowl should have been enough of a set up, but apparently not.
This entire stunt is predicated on the right’s frustration that they couldn’t do anything about black athletes and allies being disrespectful during the National Anthem (a legally defined song with etiquette spelled out in the US legal code), which is protected speech.
Now, in my opinion, they have a Super Bowl to posture about eight months before a presidential election. They want sound bites and over-the-top reactions so that they can paint themselves the victims of a hypocritical, leftist, anti-freedom conspiratorial media machine. This part of that “projection” plank in the modern GOP.
My original post was simply outlining that no matter how you slice it, there is nothing to be mad about them “protesting” the Black National Anthem. I added in a rhetorical refrain to drive home the point while beating a dead horse for effect.
I don't think the nfl is what protected speech is about. They're welcome to be morons.
I never understand this argument from Americans.
Why can't people be pissed off with what a private company does? Like if there is a sweet company that makes blueberry flavour and it's the best. If they stop selling it then I can be pissed. The argument "well it's a private company it can do what it wants" is in no way related to if I get to be pissed at it.
They have freedom to do as they please, but whining about it does about as much as whining about blueberry flavor.
We aren't saying you can't be pissed, we are saying it is completely stupid that you are pissed and there is nothing you can do. There are far more things to be worried about in this country. We are eating ourselves alive, life expectancy is dropping, suicide rate and overdose rate is climbing, our jobs are being given to foreign countries and robots, no one owns anything anymore.
I'm starting to believe people whine about these pointless things in order to avoid confronting the more complicated and deeply rooted issues we have.
Culture and community is absolutely important to a lot of people. In fact it could be very important for happiness.
Maybe people don't care about monetary things as much as you. Or maybe they care about both. It's possible to care about everything you said and the superbowl.
The only people not thinking about money are those who are privileged by wealth.
Some of us paid for our own school, car, etc. some had a $100k head start. Willing to bet you are in that second group.
If people care about these things why are so few people talking about it? Why are we whining about flavors and pop stars so much instead?
It's cool that you don't have to worry about the future, but some of us want our children to not be slaves
No. My capitalist country paid for most of my education the rest I paid for on a low interest government backed loan. Total came to just over a years median salary.
I used my grandads old car as it was largely worthless until it completely died on me within a year then I bought my own secondhand car. But that was after uni and working for a bit, so I used my own money for that car.
my government gave me a loan at 6.8%. The amount I have paid into it is the same as the original principle amount, I still owe 80% of it because of the interest. I am making 2x the average American and am still on a hamster wheel of the capitalist death cult. I will never own anything at this rate
Yes the poltical system in America is terrible.
But there are more capitalist countries without stupid education loans than with, it's kinda just you guys. You really need some form of proporional representation.
Well, you can choose the things you care about. Why waste your energy getting upset about something that has zero negative consequences in your life when you could be doing something productive, <s> like arguing on Lemmy? </s>
Exactly we all wasting our time here.
I have no problem, as a concept, with people complaining about things there care about.
Yeah you’re right. I’m out. Have a good night!
Good luck to you.