It's at least in part Russian propaganda. They don't want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all, which will help Trump get elected.
Look at the people pushing the 'genocide Joe' thing. Invariably they're anti-NATO and make excuses for Iran, Syria and Russia. Not that they're doing it deliberately, but plenty seem to have bought the propaganda and are acting like useful idiots by spreading it.
Anytime someone goes to name calling I assume they are a bad actor. We can have a serious discussion on the matter without devolving into name calling so I just assume they are trying to sew discord more than anything else.
It’s at least in part Russian propaganda.
But you'll use that as the excuse every time someone says they won't be voting for Biden right?
The problem you run into with this excuse is regardless of where the ideas are coming from or who is amplifying them you and many others are clearly concerned about the upcoming election. Biden won the 2020 general election so that means you're worried there are people who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and won't vote for him in 2024. If they're leftists or progressives that means staying home, voting 3rd party or writing in.
So here's a crazy idea: find a compromise. Leftists and progressives have raised multiple reasons they are frustrated or even angry at Biden. Why not yield to some of those objections? Frankly, the fact that discussions about giving progressive and leftist voters what they want in order to gain votes get so heavily down voted feels like the real PsyOP. Especially when the people downvoting simultaneously talk about the wonders of democracy and compromise. Here's just a few ideas Biden could do today:
Biden has been providing Israel weapons without congressional approval. That means he could stop. Today. Do that.
Biden blocked the rail strike by forcing a contract unions had voted against down their throat. That contract expires at the end of this year meaning they could strike again in 2025. Biden could promise to veto any attempts to block a rail strike in his next term.
Biden forced federal workers back to the office. He could reverse that.
Biden could publicly shame Powell and Yellen for attacking American worker wages.
It's hard to take people seriously when they talk about how important democracy is but sneer at the very idea of sacrificing any policy positions in order to court voters sitting to the left of Biden.
Without taking a position on what you're saying, do you think it's at all possible that making those choices could lose more voters than they'd gain? I honestly don't know, but changing a position on any issue runs the risk of losing votes as well.
do you think it’s at all possible that making those choices could lose more voters than they’d gain?
Yes. You take a risk either way.
thank you
What do you know about politics dude because it seems like nothing.
Do you want to mock my understanding of politics or do you want my vote? You can't have both.
Its at least in part Russian propaganda. They don’t want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all
none of your links support a claim that russia is using the conflict in israel to favor one candidate or another.
no one is threatening to vote for Trump because of biden's genocidal proclivities. since nobody's doing that, none of them can be Russian agents. you made this up.
Since reading is hard:
It's at least in part Russian propaganda. They don't want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all, which will help Trump get elected.
Way to ignore the entire point of the person you responded to.
Way to ignore the entire point of the person you responded to.
i'm not ignoring it. i'm challenging it.
Sorry, I wasn't aware that you were "challenging it" by ignoring the actual point and making up something else to respond to. My mistake, I'll have to learn alternative definitions for words.
Sorry, I wasn’t aware that you were “challenging it” by ignoring the actual poin
the actual point is that they claimed there is a russian campaign to help trump's performance in november on the basis of biden's support for genocide. there is no evidence for this.
Just like there was no evidence during the 2016 or 2020 campaigns, but surely they've changed this election. If only there were any evidence of it happening this round, I'm sure you'd change your mind.
I mean, could you imagine if they had tried to drum up charges against the president's family by getting an asset to be believed as a credible witness in a case against his family? Or if they were putting out deep fakes to make people think Biden said something he never did?
could you imagine if they had tried to drum up charges against the president’s family by getting an asset to be believed as a credible witness in a case against his family? Or if they were putting out deep fakes to make people think Biden said something he never did?
that's not the claim that's being made or to which i'm objecting. i'm objecting to the characterization of leftists as russian propagandists.
Just like there was no evidence during the 2016 or 2020 campaigns, but surely they’ve changed this election
this is innuendo. there is a specific claim being made about people who are objecting to joe's genocide, and that claim simply isn't supported by any evidence. your innuendo is slander.
Thanks for proving you're a bad faith actor, you clearly didn't even bother to read even a single link I posted that showed evidence.
Bye friend, I'm not dealing with your goalpost moving bs any longer
your goalpost moving
my position hasn't changed at all.
Thanks for proving you’re a bad faith actor
your links were provided above. your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith
It's at least in part Russian propaganda. They don't want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all, which will help Trump get elected.
Look at the people pushing the 'genocide Joe' thing. Invariably they're anti-NATO and make excuses for Iran, Syria and Russia. Not that they're doing it deliberately, but plenty seem to have bought the propaganda and are acting like useful idiots by spreading it.
Anytime someone goes to name calling I assume they are a bad actor. We can have a serious discussion on the matter without devolving into name calling so I just assume they are trying to sew discord more than anything else.
But you'll use that as the excuse every time someone says they won't be voting for Biden right?
The problem you run into with this excuse is regardless of where the ideas are coming from or who is amplifying them you and many others are clearly concerned about the upcoming election. Biden won the 2020 general election so that means you're worried there are people who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and won't vote for him in 2024. If they're leftists or progressives that means staying home, voting 3rd party or writing in.
So here's a crazy idea: find a compromise. Leftists and progressives have raised multiple reasons they are frustrated or even angry at Biden. Why not yield to some of those objections? Frankly, the fact that discussions about giving progressive and leftist voters what they want in order to gain votes get so heavily down voted feels like the real PsyOP. Especially when the people downvoting simultaneously talk about the wonders of democracy and compromise. Here's just a few ideas Biden could do today:
It's hard to take people seriously when they talk about how important democracy is but sneer at the very idea of sacrificing any policy positions in order to court voters sitting to the left of Biden.
Without taking a position on what you're saying, do you think it's at all possible that making those choices could lose more voters than they'd gain? I honestly don't know, but changing a position on any issue runs the risk of losing votes as well.
Yes. You take a risk either way.
thank you
What do you know about politics dude because it seems like nothing.
Do you want to mock my understanding of politics or do you want my vote? You can't have both.
you're making this up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russias-alleged-election-meddling-tactics-is-2024-already-compromised/ar-BB1iXPOs
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-intelligence-report-alleging-russia-election-interference-shared-with-100-2023-10-20/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression
none of your links support a claim that russia is using the conflict in israel to favor one candidate or another.
no one is threatening to vote for Trump because of biden's genocidal proclivities. since nobody's doing that, none of them can be Russian agents. you made this up.
Since reading is hard:
Way to ignore the entire point of the person you responded to.
i'm not ignoring it. i'm challenging it.
Sorry, I wasn't aware that you were "challenging it" by ignoring the actual point and making up something else to respond to. My mistake, I'll have to learn alternative definitions for words.
the actual point is that they claimed there is a russian campaign to help trump's performance in november on the basis of biden's support for genocide. there is no evidence for this.
Just like there was no evidence during the 2016 or 2020 campaigns, but surely they've changed this election. If only there were any evidence of it happening this round, I'm sure you'd change your mind.
I mean, could you imagine if they had tried to drum up charges against the president's family by getting an asset to be believed as a credible witness in a case against his family? Or if they were putting out deep fakes to make people think Biden said something he never did?
that's not the claim that's being made or to which i'm objecting. i'm objecting to the characterization of leftists as russian propagandists.
this is innuendo. there is a specific claim being made about people who are objecting to joe's genocide, and that claim simply isn't supported by any evidence. your innuendo is slander.
Thanks for proving you're a bad faith actor, you clearly didn't even bother to read even a single link I posted that showed evidence.
Bye friend, I'm not dealing with your goalpost moving bs any longer
my position hasn't changed at all.
your links were provided above. your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith