I'm not. Imprison her for life, but the death penalty is never acceptable as long as there's even the slightest chance of a false conviction. As long as "the system" can get it wrong, it should not be allowed to carry out irreversible punishments.
I get what you're saying and I can't say I disagree, but conversely:
Eat the rich
As they say, there are no moral ethical billionaires. In order to enrich themselves so much over their peers, they have necessarily trampled over them.
I do agree that giving a government the official power to just execute whoever they want (it would be trivial to manufacture a case like this in Vietnam) is a very bad precedent to set.
But, I mean, Vietnam is an authoritarian government, so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
communist country executes bourgeois, capitalists horrified
Innocent people dying of old age in prison is also irreversible and way fucking crueler.
You're not wrong, but at least there's a chance that they'll be released, and with therapy they might even have a normal life again some day. If you kill someone, they're dead. Nothing you can do about it beyond maybe putting an "Oops, our bad, sorry about that" plaque on their headstone.
I will also say that prisons should not be cruel. The role of prisons should be rehabilitation, protection of society from those who can't be rehabilitated, and lastly (and for once actually least importantly) punishment.
The rehabilitation line is a lie people tell themselves to feel better about being ok with extreme cruelty
there are other countries who have actually worked successfully at rehabilitation rather than the US-based system of 'revenge as justice'.
lumping everyone in line with the revenge types is an ignorant, immature stance.
Nah. Figures lie and liars figure. These other countries are generally homogenous with very very low poverty
i mean... abolish prisons too? Yes... I think yess :)
Yes but why just when the fate of billionaires is on the line?
I just support prison abolition in general, especially here in the US where I am. The shear number of poor, poc, indigenous, and mentally ill people who get funneled into the prison system here is a travesty and just pointless cruelty. TBH i dont give a fuck about one billionaire as long as the money is taken back and she loses all her power. Though I also do not support the death penalty so this headline doesn't make me feel super comfortable.
We're not talking about billionaires, it just happened to spark the conversation
I'm not. Imprison her for life, but the death penalty is never acceptable as long as there's even the slightest chance of a false conviction. As long as "the system" can get it wrong, it should not be allowed to carry out irreversible punishments.
I get what you're saying and I can't say I disagree, but conversely:
Eat the rich
As they say, there are no
moralethical billionaires. In order to enrich themselves so much over their peers, they have necessarily trampled over them.I do agree that giving a government the official power to just execute whoever they want (it would be trivial to manufacture a case like this in Vietnam) is a very bad precedent to set.
But, I mean, Vietnam is an authoritarian government, so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
communist country executes bourgeois, capitalists horrified
Innocent people dying of old age in prison is also irreversible and way fucking crueler.
You're not wrong, but at least there's a chance that they'll be released, and with therapy they might even have a normal life again some day. If you kill someone, they're dead. Nothing you can do about it beyond maybe putting an "Oops, our bad, sorry about that" plaque on their headstone.
I will also say that prisons should not be cruel. The role of prisons should be rehabilitation, protection of society from those who can't be rehabilitated, and lastly (and for once actually least importantly) punishment.
The rehabilitation line is a lie people tell themselves to feel better about being ok with extreme cruelty
there are other countries who have actually worked successfully at rehabilitation rather than the US-based system of 'revenge as justice'.
lumping everyone in line with the revenge types is an ignorant, immature stance.
Nah. Figures lie and liars figure. These other countries are generally homogenous with very very low poverty
i mean... abolish prisons too? Yes... I think yess :)
Yes but why just when the fate of billionaires is on the line?
I just support prison abolition in general, especially here in the US where I am. The shear number of poor, poc, indigenous, and mentally ill people who get funneled into the prison system here is a travesty and just pointless cruelty. TBH i dont give a fuck about one billionaire as long as the money is taken back and she loses all her power. Though I also do not support the death penalty so this headline doesn't make me feel super comfortable.
We're not talking about billionaires, it just happened to spark the conversation