Is this a joke? In one of your recent comments you're using the word Zionist negatively. That would already be considered hate speech somewhere.
using the word Zionist negatively. That would already be considered hate speech somewhere.
Which is also bullshit. Zionism is a political ideology, not an ethnicity. In fact, failing to make that distinction is antisemitism, as is the "Israel = Jewish people in general" bullshit that genocide deniers also use to silence dissent.
"Some people incorrectly call me a bigot, therefore nothing should ever be done about bigotry ever." Grow the fuck up
TIL the government is some people
hate speech is a different thing from the government's definition of extremist groups.
I'm talking about the state, not whatever it is you choose to do in your personal capacity. I don't care what you call me. I care if the state labels me something that they can jail me for. This article is about the state labeling pro-Palestine solidarity as extremist. I can't speak for you, but I don't think that the state should have the right to quell that speech. If you do, then I think we have fundamentally different philosophies.
I'm 1000% against governments labeling criticism of Israel or support for Gaza hate speech too, but ffs the problem here isn't that the government should just allow all hate speech all the time. If you think a republican's right to say I'm a groomer and call for my execution/lynching is good or more important than my safety you can go fuck yourself (edited phrasing a bit)
Calling for violence against anyone should be illegal imo. But yes that includes things like telling people to punch nazis.
Otherwise if they actually do convince people you're a groomer they'll think it's ok to punch you too. "Group x is an exception" or "subject matter y isn't protected" is the problem, not disallowing certain rhethorics.
Hey look, it's a cishet white guy who thinks his opinion on hate speech is relevant!
Punching Nazis will always be necessary and based, no matter what a spineless centrist on the internet has to say about it
U got the white part correct, congrats.
And no, I just have principles. And well, the intelligence to realize that it's not the greatest wau forward. Would still press a magic button that instantly kills all nazis, but that doesn't exist.
If your principles are that nazis should be allowed to exist peacefully and spew their hate wherever they want, your principles are shit and you should get some new ones, like actually giving a shit about your minority friends who nazis are actively trying to kill
Way to miss the point entirely.
Oh well no point trying to talk to someone not even trying to think about things.
My point is that my safety is more important than your right to call me slurs and call for my death. Your point is shit and irrelevant because you think fascists need to be protected and supported rather than fought against. Have a shit day :)
And my point is that allowing calls for violence potentially compromises safety of any marginalized group as it removea hurdles when the wrong people get into power, and punching nazis is just going to radicalize them more anyway, so that's also not gonna help.
But, yknow, imagine thinking.
And again, your point is shit :) why do you feel the need to stretch so fucking far to explain how restricting hate speech and fighting nazis is actually bad? (rhetorical question)
BTW you're blatantly lying about the punching nazis bit, we punched the fuck out of them during the trump administration and as you know there were a lot fewer nazis going out and demonstrating near the end of that administration. Many of them specifically said they're too afraid of physical violence to continue spewing their hate on the street. But again, you know that, and that's exactly why you're against it. Go to hell nazi trash, maybe try a little harder next time if you're trying to convince people to oppose civil rights (or just unalive, that'd be best for everyone 🌸)
Spewing their hate on the street is different from just being a nazi
yes obviously it'll stop them from doing that but it won't stop them from harboring their ideology. A large reason ppl end up in extremist circles is feeling like they don't fit into society, what's gonna happen when you continue isolating them?
You're also making an awful lot of assumptions about me, given that i went to demos against a far right party here before lmao
Btw, how the fuck would i know if ppl got violent against hateful shitheads in some other country and especially what the shitheads' reaction was (even if it's fairly obvious)
Is this a joke? In one of your recent comments you're using the word Zionist negatively. That would already be considered hate speech somewhere.
Which is also bullshit. Zionism is a political ideology, not an ethnicity. In fact, failing to make that distinction is antisemitism, as is the "Israel = Jewish people in general" bullshit that genocide deniers also use to silence dissent.
"Some people incorrectly call me a bigot, therefore nothing should ever be done about bigotry ever." Grow the fuck up
TIL the government is some people
hate speech is a different thing from the government's definition of extremist groups.
I'm talking about the state, not whatever it is you choose to do in your personal capacity. I don't care what you call me. I care if the state labels me something that they can jail me for. This article is about the state labeling pro-Palestine solidarity as extremist. I can't speak for you, but I don't think that the state should have the right to quell that speech. If you do, then I think we have fundamentally different philosophies.
I'm 1000% against governments labeling criticism of Israel or support for Gaza hate speech too, but ffs the problem here isn't that the government should just allow all hate speech all the time. If you think a republican's right to say I'm a groomer and call for my execution/lynching is good or more important than my safety you can go fuck yourself (edited phrasing a bit)
Calling for violence against anyone should be illegal imo. But yes that includes things like telling people to punch nazis.
Otherwise if they actually do convince people you're a groomer they'll think it's ok to punch you too. "Group x is an exception" or "subject matter y isn't protected" is the problem, not disallowing certain rhethorics.
Hey look, it's a cishet white guy who thinks his opinion on hate speech is relevant!
Punching Nazis will always be necessary and based, no matter what a spineless centrist on the internet has to say about it
U got the white part correct, congrats.
And no, I just have principles. And well, the intelligence to realize that it's not the greatest wau forward. Would still press a magic button that instantly kills all nazis, but that doesn't exist.
If your principles are that nazis should be allowed to exist peacefully and spew their hate wherever they want, your principles are shit and you should get some new ones, like actually giving a shit about your minority friends who nazis are actively trying to kill
Way to miss the point entirely.
Oh well no point trying to talk to someone not even trying to think about things.
My point is that my safety is more important than your right to call me slurs and call for my death. Your point is shit and irrelevant because you think fascists need to be protected and supported rather than fought against. Have a shit day :)
And my point is that allowing calls for violence potentially compromises safety of any marginalized group as it removea hurdles when the wrong people get into power, and punching nazis is just going to radicalize them more anyway, so that's also not gonna help.
But, yknow, imagine thinking.
And again, your point is shit :) why do you feel the need to stretch so fucking far to explain how restricting hate speech and fighting nazis is actually bad? (rhetorical question)
BTW you're blatantly lying about the punching nazis bit, we punched the fuck out of them during the trump administration and as you know there were a lot fewer nazis going out and demonstrating near the end of that administration. Many of them specifically said they're too afraid of physical violence to continue spewing their hate on the street. But again, you know that, and that's exactly why you're against it. Go to hell nazi trash, maybe try a little harder next time if you're trying to convince people to oppose civil rights (or just unalive, that'd be best for everyone 🌸)
You're also making an awful lot of assumptions about me, given that i went to demos against a far right party here before lmao
Btw, how the fuck would i know if ppl got violent against hateful shitheads in some other country and especially what the shitheads' reaction was (even if it's fairly obvious)