Its kinda crazy to me how someone can stab 18 people before someone is able to stop them. Were all the victims alone with nobody close to stop the suspect? I probably would chicken out aswell in a situation where im not close, but if somebody gets stabbed right next to me, there is nothing to do but fight is there?
Stopping someone with a knife is very difficult.
In my youth I used to fight Muay Thai professionally and did so for about ten years. I would be very confident taking on a random person in fisticuffs but I would rank my chances against someone with a knife very, very poorly.
Knives give an obvious reach advantage. Also just one nasty slice or one well placed stab and you're fucked where generally most people will take a few well placed strikes to stop. The odds just aren't in your favour.
Basically the safest thing to do against someone with a knife is run for your life or get your hands on a weapon that's longer than the knife if you can't run.
This is very sobering and decent advice.
When I was practicing jujitsu, our instructors were pretty unanimous that they would rather be robbed by someone with a gun than with a knife. Not that your odds are great against any weapons, but a gun only has one dangerous bit. The first time I was learning to disarm someone armed with a knife I was told "If you fight someone with a knife, you're going to get cut, no question."
Without training most people either freeze or freek out.
In the time I spend figuring out what happened, I'm probably also getting stabbed. If not, I'd be wondering if it was targetted (and therefore I'm safe) as I'm running away, but I haven't planned an escape route yet, so I'm just as likely to crash into an obstacle as I am to run away.
Were all the victims alone with nobody close to stop the suspect?
Wikipedia says the perpetrator arrived at 3:20 pm and police only started getting phone calls closer to 4pm, so that seems to be the case.
Apparently a number of people in the shopping centre were unaware anything was happening until police shot the guy.
That makes a lot more sense then. This is no laughing matter but for the lack of a better example he was basically on a stealth mission then, quickly and silently killing people to maximise the damage he could do.
Except he doesn't need to do that. Knives are dangerous. It's not like you can "rush the guy" with three people and "just take his knife". This isn't a movie. There are tests on youtube of martial artists trying to take a "knife" from a kid (knife = marker, the martial artists wears a shirt). They always end the same way - a 12yo stabbing the biggest dude you have seen to "death". There are always cut tendons that disable arms, legs. There are always stabs to the kidney, to the liver, or going through important arteries. Knives are fucking scary dude.
Oh yeah, i didnt say he would have been stopped without harming the person but in a big crowd of people you will find someone who is willing to sacrifice themselves much faster than 40 minutes.
Not a whole bunch you can do without some kind of polearm or range weapon. At most you can try stabbing him back if you happen to have a knife, but you'll probably both bleed out. More than likely some of those 18 people who were attacked were likely hurt trying to help.
Idk if a liveleaks equivalent still exists, but back in the day you could see the results of unarmed people trying to disarm someone with a knife. It's usually not pretty even if it's a couple people working together.
I think the poles that allow you to pin someone down are prob going to be more common place in places like the UK or Australia .
Mancatchers, and they need to be more common everywhere!!
Its kinda crazy to me how someone can stab 18 people before someone is able to stop them. Were all the victims alone with nobody close to stop the suspect? I probably would chicken out aswell in a situation where im not close, but if somebody gets stabbed right next to me, there is nothing to do but fight is there?
Stopping someone with a knife is very difficult.
In my youth I used to fight Muay Thai professionally and did so for about ten years. I would be very confident taking on a random person in fisticuffs but I would rank my chances against someone with a knife very, very poorly.
Knives give an obvious reach advantage. Also just one nasty slice or one well placed stab and you're fucked where generally most people will take a few well placed strikes to stop. The odds just aren't in your favour.
Basically the safest thing to do against someone with a knife is run for your life or get your hands on a weapon that's longer than the knife if you can't run.
This is very sobering and decent advice.
When I was practicing jujitsu, our instructors were pretty unanimous that they would rather be robbed by someone with a gun than with a knife. Not that your odds are great against any weapons, but a gun only has one dangerous bit. The first time I was learning to disarm someone armed with a knife I was told "If you fight someone with a knife, you're going to get cut, no question."
Without training most people either freeze or freek out.
In the time I spend figuring out what happened, I'm probably also getting stabbed. If not, I'd be wondering if it was targetted (and therefore I'm safe) as I'm running away, but I haven't planned an escape route yet, so I'm just as likely to crash into an obstacle as I am to run away.
Wikipedia says the perpetrator arrived at 3:20 pm and police only started getting phone calls closer to 4pm, so that seems to be the case.
Apparently a number of people in the shopping centre were unaware anything was happening until police shot the guy.
That makes a lot more sense then. This is no laughing matter but for the lack of a better example he was basically on a stealth mission then, quickly and silently killing people to maximise the damage he could do.
Except he doesn't need to do that. Knives are dangerous. It's not like you can "rush the guy" with three people and "just take his knife". This isn't a movie. There are tests on youtube of martial artists trying to take a "knife" from a kid (knife = marker, the martial artists wears a shirt). They always end the same way - a 12yo stabbing the biggest dude you have seen to "death". There are always cut tendons that disable arms, legs. There are always stabs to the kidney, to the liver, or going through important arteries. Knives are fucking scary dude.
Oh yeah, i didnt say he would have been stopped without harming the person but in a big crowd of people you will find someone who is willing to sacrifice themselves much faster than 40 minutes.
Not a whole bunch you can do without some kind of polearm or range weapon. At most you can try stabbing him back if you happen to have a knife, but you'll probably both bleed out. More than likely some of those 18 people who were attacked were likely hurt trying to help.
Idk if a liveleaks equivalent still exists, but back in the day you could see the results of unarmed people trying to disarm someone with a knife. It's usually not pretty even if it's a couple people working together.
I think the poles that allow you to pin someone down are prob going to be more common place in places like the UK or Australia .
Mancatchers, and they need to be more common everywhere!!