Uncommitted voters are not apathetic. The Democratic party is

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Uncommitted voters are not apathetic. The Democratic party is | Camonghne Felix
theguardian.com

What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do? And does it value its voters enough to shift away from an approach to the onslaught in Gaza that a majority of Democratic voters are against?

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I mean... If your goal is to end a genocide and you help get a guy who said "finish the job" elected, yeah, it is your fault.

Let us not pretend otherwise.

Uncommitted votes don't help Trump. You know this, you're just too much of a pussy to say you wanna murder more Palestinians

Wow, that is an incredibly unhinged thing to say to somebody.

I think if you are taking it on yourself to be a steward of the Palestinian people, you have to act respectable.

You get to talk about respectability when you stop supporting genocide. If you don't support genocide, why oppose voting uncommitted?

Let me know when your behavior has helped a single Palestinian person.

Honest question, has speaking respectfully and calmly helped a single Palestinian person? It's not like the US was listening until the uncommitted votes and the college protests.

Which specific real world protestors are acting as unhinged as this person was? From what I have seen, this behavior is exclusively among online communists, not actual pro-palestine protestors.

Which specific real world protests were speaking calm and respectfully instead of speaking emotionally and attention getting?

Why are you defending a random mentally unhinged person on the internet and equating their behavior with the movement as a whole?

Why do you assume I'm defending them? All I'm saying is you're wrong too, nothing about talking nice got us anywhere, and you must know this implicitly because you refuse to answer my questions with anything but your own detracting questions. Reread my first comment, and try answering it instead of making the conversation about something else.

If you guys can't even be respectful to the people you are in the movement with, than when the movement fails, its probably because of the splintering you guys did.

Why oppose voting uncommitted other than because you support genocide? Legit give me one reason in the entire world to oppose voting uncommitted other than because you want to send the message to Biden that Palestinian genocide doesn't matter/is good

Why behave this way towards other people unless you support genocide?

You aren't doing a damn thing to help Palestinians, you are just treating random people terribly and feeling good about yourself because of it.

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Hey look, it's a liberal genocide supporter deflecting rather than owning their shit views!

Why bother being quiet about it? Why not say it? Or deny it if it's not the case? Because you know that everyone else will know you're a piece of shit if you're too honest about it. Fuck off zionist, know that you're not at all sly about how much you love dead Palestinian children

Again, I advise psychiatry because nothing you have stated towards me is based in reality.

You aren't helping Palestinians, you haven't helped them and in truth, I don't think you are capable of helping them, which explains the impotent rage directed at random people on the internet.

Again, if you don't support genocide, give me your reason to oppose voting uncommitted

I think your uncommitted temper tantrum is doing nothing but putting gay and trans children within the crosshairs of Republicans and I think when you get your way, you're going to experience genocide closer to home than you realized.

And your impotent rage will be even more useless than that is now.

Where's the logic there? XD I can't tell Biden I don't want him to support genocide in Gaza bc somehow a vote in a primary that Trump isn't running in will get him elected? I take it back, maybe you are really stupid and you think voting uncommitted will make Trump win, but I'm still betting that you know this and you're just genocidal garbage. Have a shit night, from the river to the sea πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈπŸ’–

You are poisoning the well against a person you are going to vote for in the general?

I don't believe that. Nobody believes that.

You're just a stooge who thinks impotent rage will get you your way. You say your way is to save Palestinian lives, yet by your own admission you have done nothing to help Palestinians.

From top to bottom you are a fraud, and even your psychiatrist hasn't been able to help you learn to hide that fact.

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At least I'm not actively angling for them to get mass murdered like you. I've got a psychiatrist, I bet you'd benefit from one who can help you feel even the tiniest shred of empathy towards genocide victims and not want to kill even more

Does your psychiatrist know you harass random people on the internet and accuse them of things they haven't done as a hobby?

I empathize with your struggles, but your mental issues are not my fault nor an excuse for you to do bad things towards other people.

You're such a coward omg xD hey at least you're not stupid, you've done a great job at not saying the quiet part out loud. I don't have what it takes to get you to slip up and admit to your bloodlust, so ig there's no more point to replying after this. Free Palestine, fuck off zionist trash πŸ’–πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ

You probably can't get me to admit to my bloodlust because you invented it.

If you were smart, you would have considered that.

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Cool, you do support genocide. Have a shit life assholeπŸ’–

Free palestine πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ

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You have literally painted yourself into a self-destructive corner with your moronic strawman.

What other reason is there to not vote uncommitted? These are democratic primaries, trump gets nothing here. Give me one good reason not to take this free opportunity to let biden know genocide isn't ok

First past the post voting, two party system means that mathematically, you are placing half a vote on Biden and half a vote on Trump by abstaining democracy doesn't exist in the United States. Sorry you had to learn it this way. It's also on its way out over here in Canada, don't worry we're catching up :(

Alternatively you could vote for whoever has the best platform LOCALLY in YOUR country, whoever that may be, and send angry letters letting them know that while you support some of their policies, you are uncomfortable with the president's lack of support for a cause you consider just.

You get the choice of less murder or more murder, and your choice is "eh, doesn't matter to me".

You really don't get the concept of a primary do you? xD

Primarying an incumbent is the surest way to fail...c'mon man that's poly sci 101

Are you trying to be laughed at cuz you're being laughed at.

How can that lead to failure? He's literally the incumbent, there's basically no chance of him losing, and if he does that's a clear sign someone else would have more support. Tf is your point? Rhetorical question, I know your point: you want more Palestinians to die but you're too smart to say it out loud. Vote uncommitted motherfucker, there's no reason not to other than to be complicit in genocide

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Are you talking about the time Trump said the genocide is a bad look? Trump might not have a moral conscience, but at least he is has a political self-preservation instinct. Biden is blind-walking over a cliff in his genocidal determination.

As evidence that much of the movement is an explicit AstroTurf for the Trump campaign, I present article 1: this statement from a man named Juicy.

you are either a bot account or really stupid lol

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