That's nice. Hopefully it getting more notorious means that HW companies will support it better. But, at the same time, if this is just from the Steam Deck, then, kinda fugged
I dunno, I see the steam deck as a huge win for Linux. It shows people how simple Linux gaming can be.
The Steam Deck has shown the impact of a successful Linux-based product launch.
I wish Steam OS would finally launch and help take Linux up to the next 1%.
It is a win, but it's more of a Steam Deck win than a plain Linux one.
Proton?
Valve puming money in the Steamdeck is paying off for everybody gaming on Linux.
It made me pull the trigger again and this time i'm not even dual booting.
Well, sure, proton is great, but I wish HW support was better more than I like proton.
and this time i'm not even dual booting.
I'm so close to doing the same thing. We're at the point where proton compatibility is good enough that most of the games in my library work. And even if a game truly doesn't work on Linux at all, I just talk myself out of buying it anyway.
I think I pretty much only boot up Windows once every few weeks to keep it updated.
I don't need to dual boot because the stuff I play just works on proton or is "native" (minecraft)
Proton?
Valve puming money in the Steamdeck is paying off for everybody gaming on Linux.
It's a double-edged sword though. It means there's no point in developing native Linux games, because it'll run through Proton anyway. Keeping Windows the default gaming platform still, and making Steam the only way to acquire games if you wanna play on Linux. You CAN add non-steam games to Steam, but they're not guaranteed to work. I don't know if you can also run Proton without Steam because I've never needed to try, but that would be a hassle for your average user.
There was never a chance in hell that AAA games are natively coming to Linux.
I rather have them now with a compatibility layer and gain some market space, we'll go from there then
Not at the current market share, sure, but Microsoft is doing a lot to alienate people with new restrictions slowly being built in. Vulkan being good helps too, but now thanks to proton there's no need to move from d3d12 to Vulkan, which is kinda sad.
But if some gaming peripheral maker wants to advertise Steam Deck support they will essentially have to support Linux at least!
All thanks to Valve. They did really great job for gaming on Linux.
I just hope Thinkpad become cheaper and It got betrer support than ever 😂
I don't know. I myself am planning to get a new laptop next year and I'm in a dilemma between an expensive macbook pro or an expensive thinkpad x1 yoga. Similarly priced.
If you care about battery, well you need to consider macbook, they have better battery management, just I don't know how it's under linux. 2nd if it's design, go twith macbook. If it's not then always go with Thinkpad.
So AMD is better on battery nowdays? Seems I need to save up and try one with fedora.
Thanks for sharing!
I wish I could love AMD, but after being hit by the drm/amd#1455 bug, I can't ever. I'm quite happy with intel and my battery life is the same as when I used windows, so all is fine.
I care about both design and battery, but I'm willing to compromise on battery because I'll still depend on x86 for games and some other stuff I believe. I like the design of the thinkpads too, black + red is a very kino combo.
At this point it's also a question of operating system, because Asahi Linux is not ready for general usage, so to get a good experience on an Apple Silicon Macbook you need to be running MacOS still. The performance and battery life will blow the X1 Yoga out of the water I believe, and the Mac build quality is superb, but until Asahi gets better, you'll be a bit restricted.
Good news is, the drivers from Asahi are also slowly making their way upstream I believe, so in the future, other distros can be run on Mac hardware too.
I don't plan on running Asahi ever. One of the big reasons I would want a mac is because I wanna try MacOS for myself. Also, I want a thinkpad with an intel meteor lake soc, which will be a radical upgrade. I'm quite hyped
From a financial perspective, a 3% market share is so insignificant that companies might not even be aware of what the hell Linux is
Baby steps. Considering that Linux isn't installed by default on PCs you buy from BestBuy/Walmart, 3% is a good number.
Considering that Linux isn’t installed by default
ahh, I just rememered well dell used to have pre-installed Linux laptops
but yeah I see your point
I just rememered well dell used to have pre-installed Linux laptops
Unfortunately, No employee will ever recommend a Linux laptop/PC to a newcomer.
While Linux laptops (Purism/Pop!_OS) are already out there in the market for a few years, people who buy them are already inside the Linux ecosystem.
Unless they came with Wine, and the apps the avg joe just work with wine, I don't think it'd be a good thing. Hell, could you stop the employees at the store from telling people to just install windows after buying the laptop or the avg joe just doing that?
That's nice. Hopefully it getting more notorious means that HW companies will support it better. But, at the same time, if this is just from the Steam Deck, then, kinda fugged
I dunno, I see the steam deck as a huge win for Linux. It shows people how simple Linux gaming can be.
The Steam Deck has shown the impact of a successful Linux-based product launch.
I wish Steam OS would finally launch and help take Linux up to the next 1%.
It is a win, but it's more of a Steam Deck win than a plain Linux one.
Proton?
Valve puming money in the Steamdeck is paying off for everybody gaming on Linux.
It made me pull the trigger again and this time i'm not even dual booting.
Well, sure, proton is great, but I wish HW support was better more than I like proton.
I'm so close to doing the same thing. We're at the point where proton compatibility is good enough that most of the games in my library work. And even if a game truly doesn't work on Linux at all, I just talk myself out of buying it anyway.
I think I pretty much only boot up Windows once every few weeks to keep it updated.
I don't need to dual boot because the stuff I play just works on proton or is "native" (minecraft)
It's a double-edged sword though. It means there's no point in developing native Linux games, because it'll run through Proton anyway. Keeping Windows the default gaming platform still, and making Steam the only way to acquire games if you wanna play on Linux. You CAN add non-steam games to Steam, but they're not guaranteed to work. I don't know if you can also run Proton without Steam because I've never needed to try, but that would be a hassle for your average user.
There was never a chance in hell that AAA games are natively coming to Linux. I rather have them now with a compatibility layer and gain some market space, we'll go from there then
Not at the current market share, sure, but Microsoft is doing a lot to alienate people with new restrictions slowly being built in. Vulkan being good helps too, but now thanks to proton there's no need to move from d3d12 to Vulkan, which is kinda sad.
But if some gaming peripheral maker wants to advertise Steam Deck support they will essentially have to support Linux at least!
All thanks to Valve. They did really great job for gaming on Linux.
I just hope Thinkpad become cheaper and It got betrer support than ever 😂
I don't know. I myself am planning to get a new laptop next year and I'm in a dilemma between an expensive macbook pro or an expensive thinkpad x1 yoga. Similarly priced.
If you care about battery, well you need to consider macbook, they have better battery management, just I don't know how it's under linux. 2nd if it's design, go twith macbook. If it's not then always go with Thinkpad.
I have a Z13 with AMD (not Intel) & after a year of heavy use exclusively on Linux, I still regularly get 5–11 hours battery and sleep/hibernate works fine. There’s not too many situations where I wouldn’t have an opportunity to charge in there. Previous Intel laptops (even Evo) could barely get 6 & I’d need to carry a power brick to a café if I needed to compile like anything.
So AMD is better on battery nowdays? Seems I need to save up and try one with fedora.
Thanks for sharing!
I wish I could love AMD, but after being hit by the drm/amd#1455 bug, I can't ever. I'm quite happy with intel and my battery life is the same as when I used windows, so all is fine.
I care about both design and battery, but I'm willing to compromise on battery because I'll still depend on x86 for games and some other stuff I believe. I like the design of the thinkpads too, black + red is a very kino combo.
At this point it's also a question of operating system, because Asahi Linux is not ready for general usage, so to get a good experience on an Apple Silicon Macbook you need to be running MacOS still. The performance and battery life will blow the X1 Yoga out of the water I believe, and the Mac build quality is superb, but until Asahi gets better, you'll be a bit restricted.
Good news is, the drivers from Asahi are also slowly making their way upstream I believe, so in the future, other distros can be run on Mac hardware too.
I don't plan on running Asahi ever. One of the big reasons I would want a mac is because I wanna try MacOS for myself. Also, I want a thinkpad with an intel meteor lake soc, which will be a radical upgrade. I'm quite hyped
From a financial perspective, a 3% market share is so insignificant that companies might not even be aware of what the hell Linux is
Baby steps. Considering that Linux isn't installed by default on PCs you buy from BestBuy/Walmart, 3% is a good number.
ahh, I just rememered well dell used to have pre-installed Linux laptops but yeah I see your point
Unfortunately, No employee will ever recommend a Linux laptop/PC to a newcomer.
While Linux laptops (Purism/Pop!_OS) are already out there in the market for a few years, people who buy them are already inside the Linux ecosystem.
Unless they came with Wine, and the apps the avg joe just work with wine, I don't think it'd be a good thing. Hell, could you stop the employees at the store from telling people to just install windows after buying the laptop or the avg joe just doing that?