Israel is making life very dangerous for Jews the rest of the world over, including myself. They want to make it sound like all Jews are Israelis because it helps their cause. Which, of course, suggests that all Jews favor genocide and that emboldens bigots.
And here we go again. Spain isn't persecuting Jews.
On September 11, some Saudis attacked the World Trade Centre. America retaliated by going to war with Afghanistan, found they had nothing of value, and then Rumsfeld said since Iraq has oil, they should go after them instead. The unprovoked attack and illegal war that still, to this day, has had zero repurcussions against Bush, Blair and the rest who started it, and caused individuals from militant faction groups to rise up and attack those nations in the form of terrorist attacks, perpetuating a cycle of hate and loss.
More than twenty years later, uneducated people still fail to see the distinction between individual terrorists and an entire people who follow Islam. Islamophobia is on the rise right now simply because people are protesting the war in Gaza, and still equating those protesters to the terrorism from years prior.
I say all this because I can see how hate, and in your case, antisemitism lingers. Your actions are not that of the IDF, your words are not the same as aggrevators like Ben Gvir and your policies are not the same as Netenyahu's, but because you're Jewish, those things are all the same now in the eyes of many uneducated people.
It was the same with idiots attacking random (elderly!?) Chinese civilians on the street as a result of COVID lockdowns. The blame lies chiefly with the media and its incendiary bias towards all things that don't align with their backward views, and allowing people like Trump to stand on a podium and address millions of people with lies and baseless claims.
What happened to Muslims in America after 9/11 was disgusting and sickening and I felt so terrible for them when it happened and still do, which is why I know that this bigotry is unlikely to be coming from them. They know what it's like.
Israel know what it's like to be the victim of a genocide and yet that still hasn't given them much pause.
Yes, hence my blaming them for increasing bigotry against Jews.
Agreed.
FWIW, Fuck Israel, free Palestine - but you and other Jews got a friend in me.
Thank you, and I agree. Fuck Israel and make Palestine free and independent!
Remember all the fruitcakes saying a secret cabal of Jews runs the world? Israel is surely pumping them up and their outside influence on our politicians is making it look even worse.
That's definitely true. I've seen those fruitcakes get more emboldened lately in various online discussions.
But not even them. There is bigotry from people who don't even realize it, people who would hate the idea that they were saying something bigoted... but they still will say "Jews" when they mean "Israel" and that is mostly Israel's fault. And it's those people who can be swayed by the fruitcakes because of that. Suddenly Israel isn't the enemy, Jews are. And there are Jews everywhere. And some of them are rich and powerful.
I'll say it once, I'll say it again, Hamas played the whole damn world like fucking puppets with one attack.
I'd be absolutely shocked if the actual leaders that planned the attack are in the strip. Now any Palestenians that might have been against Hamas in the strip are stuck fighting a nuclear power in full "us vs them" mentality, Israel reacted exactly how Israel does any time it has been attacked, which is with overwhelming and vicious force now putting the country doing monstrous actions against civilians going for what looks like a full genocide, your exact point on a rival religion suddenly now giving a lot of voice to the conspiracy theories, it has created an even bigger divide in the US (but then again what doesn't anymore) and Saudi Arabia who was working on deals with Israel has backed all the fucking way off and NATO is sitting there awkwardly trying to decide exactly where on the line it wants to walk seeing as the US can't bring itself to go against Israel while Russia is rather uppity at the moment.
Taking away any conversation on ethics, which is nearly impossible... I just can't believe these leaders are this fucking short sighted.
This is the best comment I read on the topic on Lemmy. Thank you for making a great point and not bluntly resorting to antisemitism.
My favourite is when nazis say it because, by their own logic, thatwould make the Jews the master race.
I legitimately worry Israel being genocidal maniacs will lead to a wave of antisemitism, similarly to how Covid-19 having alleged Chinese origins lead to a lot of Anti-Asian crime in America.
will lead to a wave of antisemitism
"Will"? It has already been happening for quite a while. I know at least two people who confuse Israel with Judaism, and as a result have become antisemitic. One of them is my grandmother.
Has there been an increase in attacks on random Jews? This is a fascist talking point to shut down protests. The rabi at our state college for that one Hasidic organization (the tunnel controversy one) was spouting this nonsense.
Yes there has. It is not just a fascist talking point. However, I know how this goes. I provide examples and they aren't good enough because there's never enough examples to prove that there are people out there who might possibly use legitimate anti-Israel sentiment to embolden bigots when I give them.
I found this article, but they define attacks as using antisemetic language, including attacking Zionism. It also states that "attacks" have been on the rise for the past few years. I didn't believe that the Jewish population is at a higher risk on being injured or killed based on these statistics.
When did I say anything about being injured or killed? If you don't know how awful it is to be personally attacked by a bigot for just being who you are, congratulations on being privileged.
But like I said, there is pretty much nothing I could possibly say to convince some people that Israel helps foment anti-Jewish sentiment.
There are some people I cannot convince that there is any antisemitism at all, which is its own form of bigotry.
You said they were making life"dangerous." Since when does having your feelings hurt put you in danger? I've definitely had my fair share of altercations. I've been called the n word, even though I'm white, a homosexual, you name it. In experience people will find anything to take a dig at you to piss you off. It's just easy to use your religion to make you mad. It doesn't mean the person is actually antisemetic, they're just being an asshole.
Again, you must have the privilege of never having been attacked by a bigot. You don't actually know whether or not they're going to hurt you after they tell you something like how you killed Jesus. The more bigotry, the more chance of violence.
I can't believe this needs to be explained to you. It's like you don't even know what bigotry is.
It's no different than calling someone fat, someone with glasses four eyes, a bald man chrome dome, a woman a bitch/cunt , a homosexual a baguette, etc. Criticizing a fascist religion and a country is perfectly fine. I would gladly call a Hasidic/southern Baptist/Mormon/Catholic/Saudi a cousin fucker.
Sorry... you're now saying antisemitism is no different from calling someone fat?
The fuck is wrong with you?
And I bet when I provide these links, you'll prove my point above where I said no examples will be good enough:
But I'm sure people are attacked just as often for wearing glasses.
By the way, I'm an atheist. Lots of Jews are. Did you even know that?
Cults use fear and isolation to control their members, which is why there are unique DNA markers for Jews. Jewish DNA is simply Mediterranean and Mediterranean ancestry developed in relative isolation for centuries, a practice that continues to this day.
Interesting how you only responded to the very last thing I said with a silly opinion (do you think the Nazis knew about DNA?) and didn't say a damn thing about all the violent acts I pasted that you claimed weren't happening.
I think it is becoming more and more clear that this is about you feeling your own bigoted beliefs are justifiable.
Israel is making life very dangerous for Jews the rest of the world over, including myself. They want to make it sound like all Jews are Israelis because it helps their cause. Which, of course, suggests that all Jews favor genocide and that emboldens bigots.
And here we go again. Spain isn't persecuting Jews.
On September 11, some Saudis attacked the World Trade Centre. America retaliated by going to war with Afghanistan, found they had nothing of value, and then Rumsfeld said since Iraq has oil, they should go after them instead. The unprovoked attack and illegal war that still, to this day, has had zero repurcussions against Bush, Blair and the rest who started it, and caused individuals from militant faction groups to rise up and attack those nations in the form of terrorist attacks, perpetuating a cycle of hate and loss.
More than twenty years later, uneducated people still fail to see the distinction between individual terrorists and an entire people who follow Islam. Islamophobia is on the rise right now simply because people are protesting the war in Gaza, and still equating those protesters to the terrorism from years prior.
I say all this because I can see how hate, and in your case, antisemitism lingers. Your actions are not that of the IDF, your words are not the same as aggrevators like Ben Gvir and your policies are not the same as Netenyahu's, but because you're Jewish, those things are all the same now in the eyes of many uneducated people.
It was the same with idiots attacking random (elderly!?) Chinese civilians on the street as a result of COVID lockdowns. The blame lies chiefly with the media and its incendiary bias towards all things that don't align with their backward views, and allowing people like Trump to stand on a podium and address millions of people with lies and baseless claims.
What happened to Muslims in America after 9/11 was disgusting and sickening and I felt so terrible for them when it happened and still do, which is why I know that this bigotry is unlikely to be coming from them. They know what it's like.
Israel know what it's like to be the victim of a genocide and yet that still hasn't given them much pause.
Yes, hence my blaming them for increasing bigotry against Jews.
Agreed.
FWIW, Fuck Israel, free Palestine - but you and other Jews got a friend in me.
Thank you, and I agree. Fuck Israel and make Palestine free and independent!
Remember all the fruitcakes saying a secret cabal of Jews runs the world? Israel is surely pumping them up and their outside influence on our politicians is making it look even worse.
That's definitely true. I've seen those fruitcakes get more emboldened lately in various online discussions.
But not even them. There is bigotry from people who don't even realize it, people who would hate the idea that they were saying something bigoted... but they still will say "Jews" when they mean "Israel" and that is mostly Israel's fault. And it's those people who can be swayed by the fruitcakes because of that. Suddenly Israel isn't the enemy, Jews are. And there are Jews everywhere. And some of them are rich and powerful.
I'll say it once, I'll say it again, Hamas played the whole damn world like fucking puppets with one attack.
I'd be absolutely shocked if the actual leaders that planned the attack are in the strip. Now any Palestenians that might have been against Hamas in the strip are stuck fighting a nuclear power in full "us vs them" mentality, Israel reacted exactly how Israel does any time it has been attacked, which is with overwhelming and vicious force now putting the country doing monstrous actions against civilians going for what looks like a full genocide, your exact point on a rival religion suddenly now giving a lot of voice to the conspiracy theories, it has created an even bigger divide in the US (but then again what doesn't anymore) and Saudi Arabia who was working on deals with Israel has backed all the fucking way off and NATO is sitting there awkwardly trying to decide exactly where on the line it wants to walk seeing as the US can't bring itself to go against Israel while Russia is rather uppity at the moment.
Taking away any conversation on ethics, which is nearly impossible... I just can't believe these leaders are this fucking short sighted.
This is the best comment I read on the topic on Lemmy. Thank you for making a great point and not bluntly resorting to antisemitism.
My favourite is when nazis say it because, by their own logic, thatwould make the Jews the master race.
I legitimately worry Israel being genocidal maniacs will lead to a wave of antisemitism, similarly to how Covid-19 having alleged Chinese origins lead to a lot of Anti-Asian crime in America.
"Will"? It has already been happening for quite a while. I know at least two people who confuse Israel with Judaism, and as a result have become antisemitic. One of them is my grandmother.
Has there been an increase in attacks on random Jews? This is a fascist talking point to shut down protests. The rabi at our state college for that one Hasidic organization (the tunnel controversy one) was spouting this nonsense.
Yes there has. It is not just a fascist talking point. However, I know how this goes. I provide examples and they aren't good enough because there's never enough examples to prove that there are people out there who might possibly use legitimate anti-Israel sentiment to embolden bigots when I give them.
I found this article, but they define attacks as using antisemetic language, including attacking Zionism. It also states that "attacks" have been on the rise for the past few years. I didn't believe that the Jewish population is at a higher risk on being injured or killed based on these statistics.
When did I say anything about being injured or killed? If you don't know how awful it is to be personally attacked by a bigot for just being who you are, congratulations on being privileged.
But like I said, there is pretty much nothing I could possibly say to convince some people that Israel helps foment anti-Jewish sentiment.
There are some people I cannot convince that there is any antisemitism at all, which is its own form of bigotry.
You said they were making life"dangerous." Since when does having your feelings hurt put you in danger? I've definitely had my fair share of altercations. I've been called the n word, even though I'm white, a homosexual, you name it. In experience people will find anything to take a dig at you to piss you off. It's just easy to use your religion to make you mad. It doesn't mean the person is actually antisemetic, they're just being an asshole.
Again, you must have the privilege of never having been attacked by a bigot. You don't actually know whether or not they're going to hurt you after they tell you something like how you killed Jesus. The more bigotry, the more chance of violence.
I can't believe this needs to be explained to you. It's like you don't even know what bigotry is.
It's no different than calling someone fat, someone with glasses four eyes, a bald man chrome dome, a woman a bitch/cunt , a homosexual a baguette, etc. Criticizing a fascist religion and a country is perfectly fine. I would gladly call a Hasidic/southern Baptist/Mormon/Catholic/Saudi a cousin fucker.
Sorry... you're now saying antisemitism is no different from calling someone fat?
The fuck is wrong with you?
And I bet when I provide these links, you'll prove my point above where I said no examples will be good enough:
https://brooklyn.news12.com/nypd-identify-man-linked-to-attack-of-jewish-man-in-crown-heights
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20231104-french-jewish-woman-stabbed-in-her-home-in-france-s-lyon-police-hunts-suspect
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/02/14/jewish-man-stabbed-six-times-during-antisemitic-assault-in-paris/
https://ny1.com/nyc/staten-island/public-safety/2024/02/16/staten-island-jewish-community-rallies-after-attack-on-jewish-man
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/new-jersey-man-pleads-guilty-series-violent-assaults-members-orthodox-jewish-community
Those are all from within the last year.
But I'm sure people are attacked just as often for wearing glasses.
By the way, I'm an atheist. Lots of Jews are. Did you even know that?
Cults use fear and isolation to control their members, which is why there are unique DNA markers for Jews. Jewish DNA is simply Mediterranean and Mediterranean ancestry developed in relative isolation for centuries, a practice that continues to this day.
Interesting how you only responded to the very last thing I said with a silly opinion (do you think the Nazis knew about DNA?) and didn't say a damn thing about all the violent acts I pasted that you claimed weren't happening.
I think it is becoming more and more clear that this is about you feeling your own bigoted beliefs are justifiable.