That person and their neighbor should have had the cats fixed
And also keep them indoors.
Outdoor "house" cats are slowly becoming my greatest peeve.
When we had cats, I made sure that they were spayed and neutered. But they're not good for the bird population. They should be kept indoors, not to mention how easily they catch fleas. It had gotten to the point that none of the over the counter solutions worked, and you need to take out a small loan to afford to properly treat them.
They're not good for the birds, but perhaps even more importantly, the outdoors isn't good for them. The life expectancy of an indoor cat versus an outdoor cat can be 10+ years longer.
Growing up, (I'm in my 50s) we had an orange tabby that went indoors and outdoors as much as he wanted. The cat supplemented his kibble by killing and eating (confirmed by observation) birds and rodents in the area. He lived to be 23. Most cats like him that I've known all had lifespans into the high teens.
I think you mean feral, as opposed to outdoor. In which case I would agree with your statement.
I should add, that as an adult, I currently own two cats obtained from rescue services and both are exclusively indoor cats.
No, I don't mean feral. I said what I meant.
Then can you quote your source for your statement? My experiential information is counter to your claim, so I would like to see your data so I can improve my understanding.
It should seem somewhat obvious after thinking about it for a moment. Outdoor access means more exposure to diseases and parasites, exposure to predators, and exposure to traffic.
I encourage you to ask any vet or your local humane society.
Appreciate not getting a snarky comeback. My personal experience has been outdoor/indoor cats lead long, satisfying lives. But my experience could be an outlier which is why I asked for your source.
Will definitely give this a read once I'm done work. Again, much appreciated
i could throw in my own anecdotal experience of being raised owning dozens of cats over my life, that the outdoors is very dangerous to tame cats. my dad counted it as a win if a couple kittens from each litter of our tamed barn cats would make it a year. even out in the country we had "traffic" kill a decent amount, and the wild animals did the rest. not to mention eating partially rotted dead animals and getting sick, etc.
but I prefer data, which shouldn't be that hard to find. :)
Weirdly enough, actual lifespan comparisons seem to be very hard to find. Studies showing slightly higher disease (4%) rates. Higher rates of eating things their owner didn't give them. Higher dangers from traffic, cars, etc. but I have yet to an actual study with lifespan numbers, let alone the 3-5 yrs vs 10-15 I've seen bandied about.
I'm still looking for it as a lower lifespan sounds logical, but I've seen enough things defy apparent logic to not just accept the statement without supporting documentation.
Let me clear. I support in principle the statement that indoor cats live longer, I just haven't found the proof for it yet.
What counts as an outdoor cat? Ours spends her days in the backyard on a leash.
Backyard on a leash and monitored is very responsible! When people say outdoor cat, they are typically referring to cats that are allowed outdoors with no leash and no supervision.
Frfr
They should also have their bricks fixed.
Are cats not allowed to reproduce anymore?
Unfettered? No. Feral cats often aren't cared for and live suffering lives. They have significantly shorter lives. They're domesticated animals and aren't suited to life in the wild. We bred that out of them. They fare better than dogs, but they deserve better.
I just buried one that some asshole dropped off near my house. My dog doesn't do well with cats and I found them scrapping in the yard. I pulled them apart, literally the cat had several claws stuck in my dog's face. I went out a few times to make sure that it was ok. After about 20 minutes it was gone. Three days later I go out to see my dog barking at the road. It seemed like the cat was back. Either running away from my dog or distracted by her, it lay dead in the road. It has been run over by a car or a truck. Blood everywhere. I put my dog in the house and scooped it up into a bucket and buried it with my shovel.
This wasn't just some feral cat. It was friendly and had known the love of people. Unfortunately, that love wasn't enough to do what was right. It deserved better. This happened about a month ago and it still bothers me.
Get your pets spayed and neutered. If you can't afford to house the results of your irresponsibility, then at least do right by them, and make sure they go to loving homes, instead of dumping them off at someone's farmhouse in the country.
Yeah being homeless sucks, what does that have to do with cats reproducing?
Even if we assume that all unplanned kittens end up homeless, it's still some twisted version of financial cat eugenics. "Your life will probably not adhere to my standards of what a good life is, so I will prevent you from existing in the first place for your own good. I will cut off your balls because your kids would be homeless."
Now apply the same logic to humans. I know we are talking about cats but from a moral standpoint it should make no difference, the degree of "bad" might change, it's less bad if you do that to an animal and more bad if you do that to a human, but in both cases it's still bad. I can't think of anything that this logic doesn't apply to, even when it comes to something we do all the time like killing, if you do that to a human, that's murder, which is obviously terrible and if yo do that to an animal, that's acceptable, because we need it for food to survive but it's still bad. If we could get meat any other way I don't think anyone would be opposed to that.
If you don't want to get castrated by aliens\AI overlords then don't do that to your pets.
Dude, cats don't have the ability to make rational decisions. They're pets. If you want to run a cat breeding house, that's on you. Just keep them inside.
That person and their neighbor should have had the cats fixed
And also keep them indoors.
Outdoor "house" cats are slowly becoming my greatest peeve.
When we had cats, I made sure that they were spayed and neutered. But they're not good for the bird population. They should be kept indoors, not to mention how easily they catch fleas. It had gotten to the point that none of the over the counter solutions worked, and you need to take out a small loan to afford to properly treat them.
They're not good for the birds, but perhaps even more importantly, the outdoors isn't good for them. The life expectancy of an indoor cat versus an outdoor cat can be 10+ years longer.
Growing up, (I'm in my 50s) we had an orange tabby that went indoors and outdoors as much as he wanted. The cat supplemented his kibble by killing and eating (confirmed by observation) birds and rodents in the area. He lived to be 23. Most cats like him that I've known all had lifespans into the high teens.
I think you mean feral, as opposed to outdoor. In which case I would agree with your statement.
I should add, that as an adult, I currently own two cats obtained from rescue services and both are exclusively indoor cats.
No, I don't mean feral. I said what I meant.
Then can you quote your source for your statement? My experiential information is counter to your claim, so I would like to see your data so I can improve my understanding.
It should seem somewhat obvious after thinking about it for a moment. Outdoor access means more exposure to diseases and parasites, exposure to predators, and exposure to traffic.
Here's just one study. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsbl.2018.0840
I encourage you to ask any vet or your local humane society.
Appreciate not getting a snarky comeback. My personal experience has been outdoor/indoor cats lead long, satisfying lives. But my experience could be an outlier which is why I asked for your source.
Will definitely give this a read once I'm done work. Again, much appreciated
i could throw in my own anecdotal experience of being raised owning dozens of cats over my life, that the outdoors is very dangerous to tame cats. my dad counted it as a win if a couple kittens from each litter of our tamed barn cats would make it a year. even out in the country we had "traffic" kill a decent amount, and the wild animals did the rest. not to mention eating partially rotted dead animals and getting sick, etc.
but I prefer data, which shouldn't be that hard to find. :)
Weirdly enough, actual lifespan comparisons seem to be very hard to find. Studies showing slightly higher disease (4%) rates. Higher rates of eating things their owner didn't give them. Higher dangers from traffic, cars, etc. but I have yet to an actual study with lifespan numbers, let alone the 3-5 yrs vs 10-15 I've seen bandied about.
I'm still looking for it as a lower lifespan sounds logical, but I've seen enough things defy apparent logic to not just accept the statement without supporting documentation.
Let me clear. I support in principle the statement that indoor cats live longer, I just haven't found the proof for it yet.
What counts as an outdoor cat? Ours spends her days in the backyard on a leash.
Backyard on a leash and monitored is very responsible! When people say outdoor cat, they are typically referring to cats that are allowed outdoors with no leash and no supervision.
Frfr
They should also have their bricks fixed.
Are cats not allowed to reproduce anymore?
Unfettered? No. Feral cats often aren't cared for and live suffering lives. They have significantly shorter lives. They're domesticated animals and aren't suited to life in the wild. We bred that out of them. They fare better than dogs, but they deserve better.
I just buried one that some asshole dropped off near my house. My dog doesn't do well with cats and I found them scrapping in the yard. I pulled them apart, literally the cat had several claws stuck in my dog's face. I went out a few times to make sure that it was ok. After about 20 minutes it was gone. Three days later I go out to see my dog barking at the road. It seemed like the cat was back. Either running away from my dog or distracted by her, it lay dead in the road. It has been run over by a car or a truck. Blood everywhere. I put my dog in the house and scooped it up into a bucket and buried it with my shovel.
This wasn't just some feral cat. It was friendly and had known the love of people. Unfortunately, that love wasn't enough to do what was right. It deserved better. This happened about a month ago and it still bothers me.
Get your pets spayed and neutered. If you can't afford to house the results of your irresponsibility, then at least do right by them, and make sure they go to loving homes, instead of dumping them off at someone's farmhouse in the country.
Yeah being homeless sucks, what does that have to do with cats reproducing?
Even if we assume that all unplanned kittens end up homeless, it's still some twisted version of financial cat eugenics. "Your life will probably not adhere to my standards of what a good life is, so I will prevent you from existing in the first place for your own good. I will cut off your balls because your kids would be homeless."
Now apply the same logic to humans. I know we are talking about cats but from a moral standpoint it should make no difference, the degree of "bad" might change, it's less bad if you do that to an animal and more bad if you do that to a human, but in both cases it's still bad. I can't think of anything that this logic doesn't apply to, even when it comes to something we do all the time like killing, if you do that to a human, that's murder, which is obviously terrible and if yo do that to an animal, that's acceptable, because we need it for food to survive but it's still bad. If we could get meat any other way I don't think anyone would be opposed to that.
If you don't want to get castrated by aliens\AI overlords then don't do that to your pets.
Dude, cats don't have the ability to make rational decisions. They're pets. If you want to run a cat breeding house, that's on you. Just keep them inside.
Neither do crackheads.
https://youtu.be/OC1dHP9yZrw?si=VOi0aBhpHvXFuj9E
I think the horsefucker would agree with me.
Actually he just had Ruben neutered. Artemy and Pidgin are probably too.