JD Vance opposes military aid, NATO membership for Ukraine. He's now Trump's VP pick
kyivindependent.com
Vance is one of Trump's most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.
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Vance has said that it would be "completely irresponsible" for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.
"Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you're gonna have a peace deal, because that's the only way out of the conflict," Vance said in February.
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HERE COME THE FUCKING TANKIES
Tankies hate JD Vance too. The only reason he wants peace in Ukraine is to start shit with China. We tankies don't want to make peace in one place just to fight somewhere else, we want peace and deescalation all over the globe.
Okay that's cool, what about Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea, out there starting shit with everyone?
If you just give them what they want, they go away. Simples 🤦
Appeasement. 60% of the time it works every time.
...which is basically enabling imperialism.
It's wild how eager people are to look at the exact same people who lied us into Iraq and Afghanistan and say, "Yeah, I trust them to have the people's best interests at heart when they lead us into another conflict."
Not everybody on Lemmy is American and bound to American news. Some of us live near russia and know first-hand about what it is and what it isn't.
I know, you americans are really good at "doing your own research".
Not everyone who went into Iraq or Afghanistan was an American either, the leaders of plenty of other countries supported it too.
Also we're talking about American politician JD Vance and what he wants to do regarding US foreign policy, so the history of US foreign policy is obviously relevant.
I'm not talking about JD Vance. I'm talking about very convenient to tankies and ruskies "we want peace and deescalation" when Ukraine is devoured by an imperialist, authoritarian shithead.
But again, you're a self-proclaimed tankie, of course your gobbling authoritarian dick.
Can't think of a time in history where both sides in a war didn't claim it was about defense and security, whether it was or not. I remember when they said "Either we fight them over there or we'll have to fight them here," and went off to kill a million people in the Middle East, and then they lost, and now, where are all the terror attacks they said would happen? I remember too (though I'm not old enough to have lived through it) when they said if we didn't go out and kill 4 million people in Vietnam, they'd keep expanding all over and eventually we'd be fighting them here. Well, we lost that one too, and nothing bad happened afterward. So forgive me if I'm just a little bit skeptical of the latest pretext for pouring ridiculous sums of money into the pockets of defense contractors so the rich can get richer while our schools, roads, and hospitals decline further and further into dysfunction.
I am a tankie, yes, because tankies seem to be the only people interested in spending less money on tanks and more on human wellbeing.
I always thought that "we want peace" and "stop the war" people were always the biggest morons alive. At least the people who support russian terrorism own up to it. They are intentionally evil.
After watching so many events unfold, Ukraine getting annexed, women and children raped, children separated from their parents and deported, Bucha massacred, schools and hospitals bombed, for no reason other than imperialsm, you dare to 'both sides bad' this.
From the bottom of my heart, fuck you.
So, now when Ukraine is annexed, etc., you're advocating for "stopping war". Which, unexpectedly, completely aligns with the wishes of terrorists. Oh, how convenient!
I'm not the one who wants all that to continue. How many more lives must be senselessly thrown into a meat grinder just to move a line on a map?
If you care so much about it, why don't you go volunteer yourself? Ah, but you don't want that, what you want is for people to drive around, grabbing people off the street, and forcing them to fight your battles against their will. Because you don't actually care one bit about the people's wellbeing, you want to use them in pawns of the Great Game, which you seem to mistakenly believe benefits anyone outside of the 1%.
Anyway you're not going to have any luck with that terrorist line. That's literally the exact thing that they said about Iraq and Afghanistan, "You're either with us or with the terrorists," I've heard that shit my whole life. I wasn't with them then and history has validated that completely. We'll see how many people have to die this time before the liberals finally realize that war is bad, yes, even this time.
You're literally blaming the victim for war it did not started.
Somehow, in your head, defending what's rightfully yours is senseless killing.
What you don't, "surpsiringly", seem to want is for russian terrorists to pack their shit and go to back to their shithole. Nah, "that's impossible".
In your dumb head surrendering to the imperialist bottomfeeder authoritarian is the only way towards peace. Which will last as long as the moron decides he wants more land and more suffering.
Again, the "peace" people are like the most brainless, who can't seem to think one little step ahead. But of course, this "peace" is very convenient to the usurper which has not occupied the lands, and don't really want to struggle to keep them.
Tankies continue to live up to their absolutely boneheaded image.
The war can end any second, if russia stops attacking and terrorising Ukraine and leaves it's rightful lands according to international law. Go be a keyboard activist about that.
I could not give less of a shit about Ukraine's "rightful lands." No, it's not worth ordinary people dying to preserve the land of a reactionary state.
It's so ridiculously easy to fool you into supporting wars. Literally the exact same playbook every single time and you'll fall for it every single time. "We have to stop them here or they'll keep coming," heard it all before. Where are all the 9/11s, now that we lost in Afghanistan? It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now. Some of us are able to learn from history. It's unfortunate that others refuse to learn and keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.
It's very funny that you call me a keyboard warrior, I still haven't heard your excuse for why you believe in drafting others against their will to fight for a cause you believe in, while you cower at home. Almost as if you don't actually care about the well-being of Ukrainians at all 🤔
Lol, there it is. Not a single word to condemn russia and its wankers. Get the fuck out of my sight.
Without tankies this place wouldnt exist, so yea we are gonna be here
It must be hard for the Tankies that developed Lemmy that most users dislike their communities.
It's a shame that a regressive and thoughtless fringe ideology is attached to the project.
But make no mistake, Tankies didn't invent federated social media or ActivityPub, they wrote a single piece of software. If it wasn't Lemmy, it would be Kbin or some other project.
If the Tankies keep it up, they might find their software doesn't get much funding or community attention, so there's no reason to convince yourself that this place will continue to exist as a Lemmy-centric network.
Lol this passive aggressive nonsense is the most american thing in this thread. If you people dont stop having your own opinion, us white folk might just stop funding your little projects! How big and important you are, we definitely wouldnt want to offend you.
I'm not going to be passive aggressive about it, there's a simple reality at play here.
Lemmy is FOSS, so the moment that these tankies try to give themselves some backdoor or whatever to gain undue influence over the system, it will be discovered, forked and everyone will switch and they will be left out in the cold with nothing.
Maybe that'll happen, maybe it won't. Maybe they'll get sick of only running pariah instances and take their ball and go home, except we can make a copy of their ball and keep going.
That's why I'm happy to use the system, it's an open ecosystem and no individual developer has the power to torpedo it, even if they are the founders. Their authoritarian tendencies can't do that much damage in the long run.
I was more talking about how you made it sound like the founders of lemmy are upset with the user base of it as a whole, and then said they are fake founders anyways because the real work was done before them by others, and then said if they keep it up (never said what they were doing to begin with) SOME PEOPLE wink**wink will stop supporting them financially.
Its just dripping with self importance and arrogance. Its an extremely american thing to assume that your viewpoint is the only valid and logical one.
You have me confused with someone else.
How very like a tankie to be unable to follow the basic and obvious facts of a situation. That's necessary to become a tankie.
Yeah I assumed the person defending the OP was the OP, my bad. What's your excuse for being an asshat? Internet tough guy? You sound so big and in charge when you talk like that you know. Do you talk to strangers like that in person too? Can you share your other qualities so I can copy them? You are obviously an amazing person so please help me.
I'm not seeing anywhere you're explaining that I'm wrong about anything here, so there's nothing to respond to.
Unless... oh no. I'm being insulted. Better defend myself in the eyes of this internet rando.
Call it even I suppose.
Without fascism you would not exist either.