Ryzen changes their sockets less often too. I went from a 2600 to a 3700x to a 5800x with the same motherboard. Unless Intel really steps up their game I don't see any reason to switch back.
No, or very few, locks in too. Like overclock or have virtualization.
I just went full AMD when I realised their Open Source effort to market share ratio (alright, there is no metric for OS effort, I just do it by the feels) is way ahead of Intel.
A RISK-V based system is probably what comes over that.
I bought a Framework 16 laptop partially because they officially support Linux and there's AMD employees on their forum tracking and fixing bugs.
AMD have come a long way since the fglrx days (their old buggy proprietary graphics driver). They've really embraced Linux, and an AMD CPU + AMD GPU would be my first choice for a Linux system. Their newer onboard graphics is pretty good too.
I'm just waiting for it to be available here.
Probably going to be a while, considering most people won't pay the extra price for it, with much cheaper brands being available.
Excellent point!
I have been rocking and since the first Aylin series, simply because I think Intel deserves and requires a competitor. The fact that the new (and last few) amd units are good value for money helps a lot!
AMD for platform, Intel for NIC (and optane SSD)
Best combo IMO.
Intel fumbled hard with some of their recent NICs including the I225-V,[1][2] which took them multiple hardware revisions in addition to software updates to fix.
AMD also had to be dragged kicking and screaming to support earlier AM4 motherboard buyers to upgrade to Ryzen 5000 chips,[3][4] and basically lied to buyers about support for sTRX4, requiring an upgrade from the earlier TR4 to support third-gen Threadripper but at least committing to "long-term" longevity in return.[5][6] They then turned around and released no new CPUs for the chipset platform, leaving people stranded on it despite the earlier promises.[7]
I know it's appealing to blindly trust one company's products (or specific lineup of products) because it simplifies buying decisions, but no company or person is infallible (and companies in particular are generally going to profit-max even at your expense). Blindly trusting one unfortunately does not reliably lead to good outcomes for end-users.
edit: "chipset" (incorrectly implying TRX40) changed to "platform" (correctly implying sTRX4); added explicit mention of "AM4" in the context of the early motherboard buyers.
Yes, never buy a product based on the company making it, buy based on reviews. I picked up the Ryzen 1700 because it had really good price to performance, and while I was frustrated when they tried to prevent my X370 from upgrading, my vendor (ASRock) was one of the first to support it when AMD relented. If AMD blocked my upgrade, I probably would've gone with Intel because they were a little cheaper and lower power at the time, but I ended up upgrading to a 5000 series CPU instead.
So all things being equal, ASRock and AMD is my preference, but I'm not loyal to either (my wife has a Gigabyte board due to cost and features, and my old NAS used Gigabyte as well). Just like in stocks, past performance is no guarantee of future results, but it is a useful indicator when everything else is equal.
I only used ax200 and it worked much better than the integrated realtek solution using the same antennas. Driver support was the main difference, I believe.
I used to think so too, but I've got an Intel box where I have to turn hardware offload off in order to not have networking 'crashes' (complete with kernel dump data) that take out my networking for 5-15sec. Chip is i218-LM r05.
I've never had an issue with my i210 and x550 chips, but this 218 is super frustrating.
I had to put my Intel NIC in a 1gb duplex due to it crashing at anything higher :)
IDK, I'm having a lot of trouble with my Intel Wi-Fi NIC: 3168NGW. I'm getting like 16mbps on Linux (I hear Windows works better), when I have an AC network. My USB dongle gets full speed though, so it works, but the PCI card just sucks.
It seems it's downgrading to A/B speeds instead of AC, which is weird. This is a new motherboard, and it seems I'm not alone. It apparently works fine, and there seems to be drivers available that fix it, but they're not part of the standard driver. I had to set a driver flag to disable wireless N to get any form of WiFi working on it, so the whole thing is messed up.
So this is only true for the higher end Intel NICs, the crap that comes with budget boards can absolutely suck. My NAS has the same chip and doesn't have the issue (much older kernel), so it seems to be a common, but not universal problem.
I'm waiting till I see a good price on a 5900x/5950x for the rig I recently built with 5800x, the 5800x rips though I will keep it and do another build with it.
Sounds like a nice build, what GPU do you have with it? I'm running an RTX 4070ti. People seemed mad at it when it released but I got mine $15 under MSRP on the day it released (plus tax exempt because it's my main video editing PC for my nonprofit).
A couple years later I'm still loving it for 1440p 144fps gaming, I run most games on ultra. It seems a good match for the 5800x, sometimes I bottleneck on GPU, sometimes CPU but most of the time neither.
6700XT dual, it stays cool, runs 1440p ultra and older 4k (newer stuff with some FSR) and I got it for 507AUD 6-7months ago.
I've got a 5000 series CPU running happily on a first gen Ryzen board. Started with a 1600 and now I have a 5600G. Hybrid graphics setup and all. First gen Ryzen was junk compared to my current CPU, it's kinda crazy.
I went from 1700 to 5600 on the same motherboard, and I can still upgrade to an X3D chip if I want to. That's like 6 years of CPUs on one motherboard.
And the new socket seems to offer something similar.
if Bartlett Lake rumor ends up being true, ironically LGA 1700 had a much longer lifespan than intel would typically have (it would introduce a 4th series to LGA 1700), which would technically put it in a similarish boat to AM5 generation wise in count. (Zen, Zen+, Zen 2, Zen 3 vs Alder lake, Raptor Lake, Raptor Lake+, Bartlett Lake)
the only problem for intell of course is the middle generations top end is basically now unusable
I'm still running a 3700x and had been thinking about upgrading. Is the 5800x the best choice for am4?
5800X3D is still a gaming beast, and 5950X is best in slot for productivity, but make sure there's a bios update available for your motherboard for the cpu you plan to buy first
Wasn't that before they switched to LGA though?
They’ve committed to support AM5 (the LGA socket launched 2022) through at least 2027.
This is a solid policy. AFAIK even with ancient Asus B350 Board, you can use Ryzen 5800X3D - which is still a solid gaming CPU
Yep.
I was debating it because I still had a 1700x, bit the bullet and went with the 7800x3d
In three years I probably still won't need a cpu upgrade, but the last AM5 x3d will give me another 3-4 years into am6
I upgraded my main PC from a Ryzen 5 3600 to a Ryzen 9 5950X a year or two ago and it was completely straightforward. The CPU runs cool too. The next upgrade will be trickier but I'm definitely sticking with AMD unless they do something as bad as what intel is doing.
Intel's played the socket game for 30 years now, they aren't stopping now. It's a bone they throw to the motherboard manufacturers to ensure they stay the main business focus for them.
Ryzen changes their sockets less often too. I went from a 2600 to a 3700x to a 5800x with the same motherboard. Unless Intel really steps up their game I don't see any reason to switch back.
No, or very few, locks in too. Like overclock or have virtualization.
I just went full AMD when I realised their Open Source effort to market share ratio (alright, there is no metric for OS effort, I just do it by the feels) is way ahead of Intel.
A RISK-V based system is probably what comes over that.
I bought a Framework 16 laptop partially because they officially support Linux and there's AMD employees on their forum tracking and fixing bugs.
AMD have come a long way since the fglrx days (their old buggy proprietary graphics driver). They've really embraced Linux, and an AMD CPU + AMD GPU would be my first choice for a Linux system. Their newer onboard graphics is pretty good too.
I'm just waiting for it to be available here.
Probably going to be a while, considering most people won't pay the extra price for it, with much cheaper brands being available.
Excellent point!
I have been rocking and since the first Aylin series, simply because I think Intel deserves and requires a competitor. The fact that the new (and last few) amd units are good value for money helps a lot!
AMD for platform, Intel for NIC (and optane SSD)
Best combo IMO.
Intel fumbled hard with some of their recent NICs including the I225-V,[1][2] which took them multiple hardware revisions in addition to software updates to fix.
AMD also had to be dragged kicking and screaming to support earlier AM4 motherboard buyers to upgrade to Ryzen 5000 chips,[3][4] and basically lied to buyers about support for sTRX4, requiring an upgrade from the earlier TR4 to support third-gen Threadripper but at least committing to "long-term" longevity in return.[5][6] They then turned around and released no new CPUs for the
chipsetplatform, leaving people stranded on it despite the earlier promises.[7]I know it's appealing to blindly trust one company's products (or specific lineup of products) because it simplifies buying decisions, but no company or person is infallible (and companies in particular are generally going to profit-max even at your expense). Blindly trusting one unfortunately does not reliably lead to good outcomes for end-users.
edit: "chipset" (incorrectly implying TRX40) changed to "platform" (correctly implying sTRX4); added explicit mention of "AM4" in the context of the early motherboard buyers.
Yes, never buy a product based on the company making it, buy based on reviews. I picked up the Ryzen 1700 because it had really good price to performance, and while I was frustrated when they tried to prevent my X370 from upgrading, my vendor (ASRock) was one of the first to support it when AMD relented. If AMD blocked my upgrade, I probably would've gone with Intel because they were a little cheaper and lower power at the time, but I ended up upgrading to a 5000 series CPU instead.
So all things being equal, ASRock and AMD is my preference, but I'm not loyal to either (my wife has a Gigabyte board due to cost and features, and my old NAS used Gigabyte as well). Just like in stocks, past performance is no guarantee of future results, but it is a useful indicator when everything else is equal.
I only used ax200 and it worked much better than the integrated realtek solution using the same antennas. Driver support was the main difference, I believe.
I used to think so too, but I've got an Intel box where I have to turn hardware offload off in order to not have networking 'crashes' (complete with kernel dump data) that take out my networking for 5-15sec. Chip is i218-LM r05.
I've never had an issue with my i210 and x550 chips, but this 218 is super frustrating.
I had to put my Intel NIC in a 1gb duplex due to it crashing at anything higher :)
IDK, I'm having a lot of trouble with my Intel Wi-Fi NIC: 3168NGW. I'm getting like 16mbps on Linux (I hear Windows works better), when I have an AC network. My USB dongle gets full speed though, so it works, but the PCI card just sucks.
It seems it's downgrading to A/B speeds instead of AC, which is weird. This is a new motherboard, and it seems I'm not alone. It apparently works fine, and there seems to be drivers available that fix it, but they're not part of the standard driver. I had to set a driver flag to disable wireless N to get any form of WiFi working on it, so the whole thing is messed up.
So this is only true for the higher end Intel NICs, the crap that comes with budget boards can absolutely suck. My NAS has the same chip and doesn't have the issue (much older kernel), so it seems to be a common, but not universal problem.
I'm waiting till I see a good price on a 5900x/5950x for the rig I recently built with 5800x, the 5800x rips though I will keep it and do another build with it.
Sounds like a nice build, what GPU do you have with it? I'm running an RTX 4070ti. People seemed mad at it when it released but I got mine $15 under MSRP on the day it released (plus tax exempt because it's my main video editing PC for my nonprofit).
A couple years later I'm still loving it for 1440p 144fps gaming, I run most games on ultra. It seems a good match for the 5800x, sometimes I bottleneck on GPU, sometimes CPU but most of the time neither.
6700XT dual, it stays cool, runs 1440p ultra and older 4k (newer stuff with some FSR) and I got it for 507AUD 6-7months ago.
I've got a 5000 series CPU running happily on a first gen Ryzen board. Started with a 1600 and now I have a 5600G. Hybrid graphics setup and all. First gen Ryzen was junk compared to my current CPU, it's kinda crazy.
I went from 1700 to 5600 on the same motherboard, and I can still upgrade to an X3D chip if I want to. That's like 6 years of CPUs on one motherboard.
And the new socket seems to offer something similar.
if Bartlett Lake rumor ends up being true, ironically LGA 1700 had a much longer lifespan than intel would typically have (it would introduce a 4th series to LGA 1700), which would technically put it in a similarish boat to AM5 generation wise in count. (Zen, Zen+, Zen 2, Zen 3 vs Alder lake, Raptor Lake, Raptor Lake+, Bartlett Lake)
the only problem for intell of course is the middle generations top end is basically now unusable
I'm still running a 3700x and had been thinking about upgrading. Is the 5800x the best choice for am4?
5800X3D is still a gaming beast, and 5950X is best in slot for productivity, but make sure there's a bios update available for your motherboard for the cpu you plan to buy first
Wasn't that before they switched to LGA though?
They’ve committed to support AM5 (the LGA socket launched 2022) through at least 2027.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/amd-promises-am5-socket-life-support-through-to-2027-and-beyond/#
This is a solid policy. AFAIK even with ancient Asus B350 Board, you can use Ryzen 5800X3D - which is still a solid gaming CPU
Yep.
I was debating it because I still had a 1700x, bit the bullet and went with the 7800x3d
In three years I probably still won't need a cpu upgrade, but the last AM5 x3d will give me another 3-4 years into am6
I upgraded my main PC from a Ryzen 5 3600 to a Ryzen 9 5950X a year or two ago and it was completely straightforward. The CPU runs cool too. The next upgrade will be trickier but I'm definitely sticking with AMD unless they do something as bad as what intel is doing.
Intel's played the socket game for 30 years now, they aren't stopping now. It's a bone they throw to the motherboard manufacturers to ensure they stay the main business focus for them.