Having a job sucks. Not having a job, and constantly being ignored or rejected does a number on my mental health too.
A company I applied for gave me a take home assignment, I said that I would only do it if they pay me. They said they would pay me. The project took me about 2.5 months. Now they have rejected me saying it is not good enough, didn’t pay me for the work I have done. It has been an all-around hell week for me. I hate being taken advantage of like that. Fuck whatever enables people or companies like this.
Bro, which company expected you to do a take home assignment that took 2.5 months? Name and shame the fuckers.
The company is called GeoStru, which is their Sales and Marketing. The offshoot of that, that is responsible for development is called Engsoft SRL. It is located in Romania.
We need to signal boost this, if true, because that is an egregious waste of someone's time and a theft of their due compensation.
Fire is free for you and for me.
Two and a half months is insane for a practical skills demonstration for a job interview. Those should be a couple of hours at most.
Perhaps the biggest joke was why they rejected me. Apparently I only used “basic concepts of object oriented programming.” I found that to be the best because using anything more advanced might diffuse the logic too much, something I didn’t like. But, no, they probably think I should use everything in “Clean Code” because they probably worship that book.
i hate that our profession has been overtaken by that snake oil. my goal is to some day fill my own development company with developers smart enough to see through that bullshit and reject it.
no leetcode interviews, no take home tests, no bullshit. what a dream. now if i could just stop getting scammed by clients who don’t pay...
I am too poor to open a development company. But, if I ever did, I would want it to be employee owned, with employees having power to oust the entire executive team. Clients who don’t wanna pay are too fucking common.
I have never got a job that required a live coding challenge, yet I've worked for major Fortune 500 tech companies, and have advanced my career about as far as one can go. Thankfully there are plenty of jobs that evaluate your merit based on what you've done in the past, and what you know, instead of whether you magically know if they want recursion or not for a deep loop in some obscure coding challenge that has little in common with real world problem solving.
"Clean" because all the code that does anything is split into countless three line "atomic functions" and buried under layers of observables and factories I bet.
Pointless abstraction is a tool to ensure repeat contracts by vendors, not a good coding standard.
As somebody switching to data-oriented design, ...
They probably think only OOP is right.
Having a job sucks.
Not having a job wouldn't suck if it wasn't for the fact it usually means you also have no money.
Having no money sucks.
It would be cool beans to not have a job, but have money.
Having a job is fine. Having something that gives you purpose is actually healthy for you. But I guess it depends what you do and you need to work for someone nice. It is the mandatory part and the "squeezing every penny out of you" part that sucks most.
Also, switching jobs when it gets tedious might be a good plan. Make sure to stick around for a couple years though, or else they'll see on your CV that you won't stick around long enough to be worth the effort.
2.5 months? You got robbed. You need to file criminal charges against this company and sue them
I haven’t got any resources. Company’s HQ is based in Romania, while I live in India. I just have to take this L and be even more careful next time.
I'm sorry that happened to you. For future reference, anything beyond an hour or two is excessive, and anything they could actually use for profit is out of the question.
When they initially said about the project, I refused it. But, then they said they would pay me for the project. I signed a contract that stated that I would get paid. But, now they backed out of it saying my work is not upto their standard and they are terminating the contract.
Is there a clause in the contract that gives their claim teeth?
Pretty sure it does. The contract was always favored towards them. But, I decided to let it slide because I was pretty desperate. Now, that has come back to bite me in my ass. I might just decide to leave working in software after this debacle. It’s not worth it. Corporations have gotten too used to treating people like machines. I have been working on setting up a small horticulture or floriculture business.
I spent so long learning software development. I always wanted to work on developing software specifically for engineering. That is something I am really passionate about. Stuff like CAD, simulation, etc. But, seems like companies have taken that as a license to exploit. Also, the overabundance of software devs in the job market have made it easier for them. Better to give up.
Start applying for jobs in the US. Or if you can swing it, get your visa and come here. Most of my coworkers are Indian, and they're making bank.
Getting visa is difficult. I am trying to get a job. It is not exactly easy either. I get almost no response for US based positions. Know any companies that are open to sponsorships? I have about 2 years of scientific and CAD software development experience, primarily in C++.
Unfortunately I don't. Have you spent any time working in the web sphere? There are a lot of jobs for back-end website developers.
Getting into development is hard, because there are so many bottom-tier engineers that'll undercut your efforts, but once you get established it gets a lot better. I struggled to find work for years until I finally had a lucky break. I don't have any immediate solutions for you, but I encourage you to stick with it, even if you have to shift focus a little. It can pay off big time in the end. Best of luck, friend.
Edit: working on some personal projects and creating a great portfolio can really help you stand out from the competition. When I was getting established I constantly bid on jobs above my skill level for less money than I deserved, just to get the experience and portfolio item. In the end that worked out well for me.
I know backend development to some extent. Have worked with Node.js and flask. Maybe I can start from there. Thank you.
Having a job sucks. Not having a job, and constantly being ignored or rejected does a number on my mental health too.
A company I applied for gave me a take home assignment, I said that I would only do it if they pay me. They said they would pay me. The project took me about 2.5 months. Now they have rejected me saying it is not good enough, didn’t pay me for the work I have done. It has been an all-around hell week for me. I hate being taken advantage of like that. Fuck whatever enables people or companies like this.
Bro, which company expected you to do a take home assignment that took 2.5 months? Name and shame the fuckers.
The company is called GeoStru, which is their Sales and Marketing. The offshoot of that, that is responsible for development is called Engsoft SRL. It is located in Romania.
We need to signal boost this, if true, because that is an egregious waste of someone's time and a theft of their due compensation.
Fire is free for you and for me.
Two and a half months is insane for a practical skills demonstration for a job interview. Those should be a couple of hours at most.
Perhaps the biggest joke was why they rejected me. Apparently I only used “basic concepts of object oriented programming.” I found that to be the best because using anything more advanced might diffuse the logic too much, something I didn’t like. But, no, they probably think I should use everything in “Clean Code” because they probably worship that book.
i hate that our profession has been overtaken by that snake oil. my goal is to some day fill my own development company with developers smart enough to see through that bullshit and reject it.
no leetcode interviews, no take home tests, no bullshit. what a dream. now if i could just stop getting scammed by clients who don’t pay...
I am too poor to open a development company. But, if I ever did, I would want it to be employee owned, with employees having power to oust the entire executive team. Clients who don’t wanna pay are too fucking common.
I have never got a job that required a live coding challenge, yet I've worked for major Fortune 500 tech companies, and have advanced my career about as far as one can go. Thankfully there are plenty of jobs that evaluate your merit based on what you've done in the past, and what you know, instead of whether you magically know if they want recursion or not for a deep loop in some obscure coding challenge that has little in common with real world problem solving.
"Clean" because all the code that does anything is split into countless three line "atomic functions" and buried under layers of observables and factories I bet.
Pointless abstraction is a tool to ensure repeat contracts by vendors, not a good coding standard.
As somebody switching to data-oriented design, ...
They probably think only OOP is right.
Having a job sucks.
Not having a job wouldn't suck if it wasn't for the fact it usually means you also have no money.
Having no money sucks.
It would be cool beans to not have a job, but have money.
Having a job is fine. Having something that gives you purpose is actually healthy for you. But I guess it depends what you do and you need to work for someone nice. It is the mandatory part and the "squeezing every penny out of you" part that sucks most.
Also, switching jobs when it gets tedious might be a good plan. Make sure to stick around for a couple years though, or else they'll see on your CV that you won't stick around long enough to be worth the effort.
2.5 months? You got robbed. You need to file criminal charges against this company and sue them
I haven’t got any resources. Company’s HQ is based in Romania, while I live in India. I just have to take this L and be even more careful next time.
I'm sorry that happened to you. For future reference, anything beyond an hour or two is excessive, and anything they could actually use for profit is out of the question.
When they initially said about the project, I refused it. But, then they said they would pay me for the project. I signed a contract that stated that I would get paid. But, now they backed out of it saying my work is not upto their standard and they are terminating the contract.
Is there a clause in the contract that gives their claim teeth?
Pretty sure it does. The contract was always favored towards them. But, I decided to let it slide because I was pretty desperate. Now, that has come back to bite me in my ass. I might just decide to leave working in software after this debacle. It’s not worth it. Corporations have gotten too used to treating people like machines. I have been working on setting up a small horticulture or floriculture business.
I spent so long learning software development. I always wanted to work on developing software specifically for engineering. That is something I am really passionate about. Stuff like CAD, simulation, etc. But, seems like companies have taken that as a license to exploit. Also, the overabundance of software devs in the job market have made it easier for them. Better to give up.
Start applying for jobs in the US. Or if you can swing it, get your visa and come here. Most of my coworkers are Indian, and they're making bank.
Getting visa is difficult. I am trying to get a job. It is not exactly easy either. I get almost no response for US based positions. Know any companies that are open to sponsorships? I have about 2 years of scientific and CAD software development experience, primarily in C++.
Unfortunately I don't. Have you spent any time working in the web sphere? There are a lot of jobs for back-end website developers.
Getting into development is hard, because there are so many bottom-tier engineers that'll undercut your efforts, but once you get established it gets a lot better. I struggled to find work for years until I finally had a lucky break. I don't have any immediate solutions for you, but I encourage you to stick with it, even if you have to shift focus a little. It can pay off big time in the end. Best of luck, friend.
Edit: working on some personal projects and creating a great portfolio can really help you stand out from the competition. When I was getting established I constantly bid on jobs above my skill level for less money than I deserved, just to get the experience and portfolio item. In the end that worked out well for me.
I know backend development to some extent. Have worked with Node.js and flask. Maybe I can start from there. Thank you.