Germany blames Russian GRU unit for EU, NATO cyberattacks

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German intelligence accused Moscow of widespread sabotage operations against German politicians and companies. The same unit also hit Ukrainian targets in the run-up to Russia's invasion.

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It is high time the West start fucking with Russia’s critical infrastructure.

You think the people who brought us Stuxnet aren't fucking with Russia?

Perhaps “fucking” means different things to the two of us. I want to see a total covert war against the blyats. Disruption of all industries and all sectors of society. Propagation of drugs, crime, and violence throughout their society. Infliction of every misery on the russian people, short of a kinetic war. Ultimately, I want to see destruction of the russian state, be that by revolution, dissolution, popular forces bringing about political upheaval, etc. Only after putin is dead should this sort of warfare stop.

It is a bit of an oxymoron to "see" a "covert war", isn't it?

Not really. Do you not see the war Russia is waging against the West? Would you call it overt, or covert?

which brings us back to what @Buelldozer@lemmy.today said. I am sure there is a lot of activity of hacking and sabotaging things in Russia, that we simply don't know about it. Western governments have an interest in attributing publicly known sabotages to Russia, to justify spending on countermeasures. Russia does not necessarily have an interest to tell its vulnerabilities to its own people and the Western government don't necessarily have an interest in going public about their activities in Russia or about sabotages that did not go public.

Note that whenever you hear about a hack or sabotage action being publicized, it is done so deliberately with a strategy. So in turn also don't expect that we get to know the full extent of Russian hacking and sabotaging.

Finally don't expect that every attack that is attributed to some actor, actually was committed by that actor. If you want a glaring example of that remember how the Iraq invasion was sold as a response to 9/11 despite the attackers coming from Saudi Arabia.

Sadly for us, they have the robustness of being perpetually offline due to being old and crappy. I'm sure even their internet is just standalone computers that you have to carry floppies between.

In that case, I think it's time that Ukraine gets authorized to do some ballistic hacking to general utilities deep in Russia. Make them permanently offline.

US, Germany, Poland, UK, and those are the ones we've read about recently.

So Germany.. give Ukraine a couple of pre programmed Taurus and request Ukraine to lob them in the direction of the gru HQ..

I'm not suggesting we should but could a cover attack justify triggering article 5