As someone with a GTX 1080 running GNOME Wayland for at least the last four years, why is everyone claiming the sky is falling on Nvidia users with this change? Do you actually use Nvidia to be saying we'll have a bad time? Sure the support is miles better on AMD, but it's not absolutely borked. For me it's on par with my X11 experience, because both sessions have weird Nvidia support quirks tbh.
on a 2070 i get stuttery(er) performance and small hangs on the desktop, noticeably.higher latency and issues with rendering windows sometimes. games and ai work as expected.
i guess it depends on the hardware and or combination
Same here. I have a few applications that I had to specifically turn on Wayland support for (Thunderbird & Vivaldi, for instance), and a lot that work just fine, and the ones I have issues with are mostly the X-only apps running on Xwayland, which tend to be less stable than they were directly under X, but there are only a few that I still use.
This is way too early especially for people running nvidia or still relying on software that can't work properly on wayland. I guess im sticking to xfce for a long while
Won't most of those pieces of software work on xwayland?
Most, but not all.
This is sad. I still prefer xorg over Wayland. I have so many small customizations that depend on devilspie, wnck, and other tools that don’t have a complete Wayland replacement yet.
I mean, I don't disagree, but at some point it's gotta change if one is going to ever be able to have desktop apps that run sandboxed. X was never designed to have untrusted and trusted apps running on the same desktop, and the ways of approximating that are non-ideal.
What WM are you using? If it's sticking specific application windows on specific workspaces, i3 can do that:
And I understand that sway is mostly compatible with i3.
Why does the entire Linux community assume that sandboxed apps are something we all want/need these days? I have no interest in sandboxed apps tbh. It makes sense for certain situations but I'm happy without them. I don't like how Flatpak isolates all apps' config files off into their little sandboxes and makes editing config files annoying. I just want stuff maintained in a central package manager and I want to use software that's trustworthy enough that it doesn't need to be sandboxed in the first place.
I use Wayland, but mainly because VRR support is better (except having to keep rebuilding mutter-vrr every time GNOME updates) and I don't get screen tearing. Couldn't care any less than I do now about sandboxed apps or unnecessary forced security. I hate that screen capture gets broken on a lot of programs running in Wayland and that global keybinds get messed up because of "designed with security in mind" bullshit. An operating system's job should be to provide software with the features it needs, not to restrict said features.
I certainly hope the Wayland experience is better on Gnome than it is on KDE, otherwise a lot of Gnome users are not going to be happy. I tried KDE with Wayland and oh boy... Just some things I noticed on a daily basis:
Applications going completely unresponsive, as in: requiring kill -9 to terminate them. Solved for now by reverting to X11.
Stuff like the display configuration screen placing a gap between my external monitor and laptop screen, and then complaining that screens must be placed adjacently. Annoying as both X11 and Wayland insist on defaulting my 5120x1440 display to 640x480 each time I reconnect it, so I see that screen way too often. At least with X11 I don't have to manually drag screens to their proper places before being able to save my settings.
Window manager just completely locking up at random, requiring a hard reset.
If my experience on an AMD graphics laptop just under a year old is that bad, I hate to think how horrible the Wayland experience for Nvidia users must be judging by the comments here.
bad news for nvidia users
dammit, i'm not ready yet. I still need to port all my xmacro and xclip(board) automation to wl-clipboard and ydotool
calm lol, it is only a 8 line text file, that you can put there again it's just a sign that gnome isn't working on x11(there is other pull request that it REALLY remove x11 code, but it gonna take some timw, there is a few blockers that need tobe fixed or implemented) everything i said is in the pull request
As someone with a GTX 1080 running GNOME Wayland for at least the last four years, why is everyone claiming the sky is falling on Nvidia users with this change? Do you actually use Nvidia to be saying we'll have a bad time? Sure the support is miles better on AMD, but it's not absolutely borked. For me it's on par with my X11 experience, because both sessions have weird Nvidia support quirks tbh.
on a 2070 i get stuttery(er) performance and small hangs on the desktop, noticeably.higher latency and issues with rendering windows sometimes. games and ai work as expected.
i guess it depends on the hardware and or combination
Same here. I have a few applications that I had to specifically turn on Wayland support for (Thunderbird & Vivaldi, for instance), and a lot that work just fine, and the ones I have issues with are mostly the X-only apps running on Xwayland, which tend to be less stable than they were directly under X, but there are only a few that I still use.
This is way too early especially for people running nvidia or still relying on software that can't work properly on wayland. I guess im sticking to xfce for a long while
Won't most of those pieces of software work on xwayland?
Most, but not all.
This is sad. I still prefer xorg over Wayland. I have so many small customizations that depend on devilspie, wnck, and other tools that don’t have a complete Wayland replacement yet.
I mean, I don't disagree, but at some point it's gotta change if one is going to ever be able to have desktop apps that run sandboxed. X was never designed to have untrusted and trusted apps running on the same desktop, and the ways of approximating that are non-ideal.
What WM are you using? If it's sticking specific application windows on specific workspaces, i3 can do that:
https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html
And I understand that sway is mostly compatible with i3.
Why does the entire Linux community assume that sandboxed apps are something we all want/need these days? I have no interest in sandboxed apps tbh. It makes sense for certain situations but I'm happy without them. I don't like how Flatpak isolates all apps' config files off into their little sandboxes and makes editing config files annoying. I just want stuff maintained in a central package manager and I want to use software that's trustworthy enough that it doesn't need to be sandboxed in the first place.
I use Wayland, but mainly because VRR support is better (except having to keep rebuilding mutter-vrr every time GNOME updates) and I don't get screen tearing. Couldn't care any less than I do now about sandboxed apps or unnecessary forced security. I hate that screen capture gets broken on a lot of programs running in Wayland and that global keybinds get messed up because of "designed with security in mind" bullshit. An operating system's job should be to provide software with the features it needs, not to restrict said features.
And again I'm glad I'm using KDE.
I certainly hope the Wayland experience is better on Gnome than it is on KDE, otherwise a lot of Gnome users are not going to be happy. I tried KDE with Wayland and oh boy... Just some things I noticed on a daily basis:
Applications going completely unresponsive, as in: requiring
kill -9to terminate them. Solved for now by reverting to X11.Stuff like the display configuration screen placing a gap between my external monitor and laptop screen, and then complaining that screens must be placed adjacently. Annoying as both X11 and Wayland insist on defaulting my 5120x1440 display to 640x480 each time I reconnect it, so I see that screen way too often. At least with X11 I don't have to manually drag screens to their proper places before being able to save my settings.
Window manager just completely locking up at random, requiring a hard reset.
If my experience on an AMD graphics laptop just under a year old is that bad, I hate to think how horrible the Wayland experience for Nvidia users must be judging by the comments here.
bad news for nvidia users
dammit, i'm not ready yet. I still need to port all my xmacro and xclip(board) automation to wl-clipboard and ydotool
calm lol, it is only a 8 line text file, that you can put there again it's just a sign that gnome isn't working on x11(there is other pull request that it REALLY remove x11 code, but it gonna take some timw, there is a few blockers that need tobe fixed or implemented) everything i said is in the pull request