Gary Kildall was so depressed he committed suicide, because Bill Gates (Microsoft) stole his OS and used it and his mothers position in IBM to undercut him, and he couldn't do anything about it.
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I can write that Bill Gates and Microsoft stole it without fear of repercussions from either, because that's already been decided in a court of law decades ago.
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Gary Kildall's lawyer later stated Gary Kildall lacked the tenacity Bill Gates had, because he didn't sue based on same lawyers legal advice, that software probably wasn't legally protected by copyright.
If you don't know, QDOS was copied from CP/M, and Microsoft bought QDOS and relabeled it MS-DOS, and sold it to IBM as PC-DOS. Main difference being that Microsoft removed the few safety features that were present in CP/M, causing decades of nightmares with bad security and viruses.
But the suicide part … that confirmed as well?
Honestly don’t know, just surprised to read that.
No it's not, I may remember that part wrong, it was speculated to be homicide, but his wife told he was very depressed about Microsoft using his own OS to win the contract with IBM.
One Friday afternoon, Gary called the engineering staff together and announced that he would give them all a raise over the weekend. On Monday, when they returned to work, contractors began raising the building to make room in the basement for a new Digital Equipment Corporation VAX 11/750 computer system. After several weeks, supported by heavy wooden beams and house jacks, the engineers' desks were five feet higher.
I'd have loved to work for him!
Nobody's ever has a bad time with PCOS!
was cp/m really that good? never used it and all of the media I've seen of it looks like just another variant of dos. i grew up using dos, and I use the shell for a lot of stuff at work all the time these days, but i think most people prefer to interact via a gui
I think you mean DOS looks like a variant of CP/M, because DOS started as a clone of CP/M.
Because DOS is a stolen illegal copy of CP/M, but with a few features removed. And yes CP/M was way better, and had for instance multitasking way before MS-DOS. And it had filesystem safety, the lack of which caused decades of security nightmares on PC.
Lemmy isn’t the best place to make up stories about your programming pedigree… it’s kind of a thing here.
Lemmy isn’t the best place to make up stories about your programming pedigree… it’s kind of a thing here.
Not that I have any way of proving that to you, but I'm not, I just couldn't honestly remember the last time I was typing BASIC code into my Apple II+ (and TRS-80 at the mall) , since I've been coding for over forty years, they all tend to kind of run together after a while. I usually let the compiler set me straight.
Not sure why you're digging this hole, but okay... You claim to have 40 years experience, a retired software dev.... BASIC has little relevance to the article OP posted... It doesn't make much sense to post a hello world loop, further you can search for this loop and find thousand of syntax accurate examples, which any engineer would do normally, due to the PTSD of posting on public forums and being ripped to shreds for the most minor of typo...
Why would you claim to run two lines through a compiler to check it? I mean there are endless interpreters and plenty of IDEs that would have caught the mistake as well.
BASIC is a high level educational language to promote CS in the 80s and 90s, What does posting this here, and then misusing semi-colons, do to give you any credibility. Why not Lisp, COBOL or Fortran? Is it because your trying to steal credibility like Microsoft did? Make it make sense!
And finally what in the world is this CC signature. Your on Lemmy, the not-for-profit decentralized forum. Creative Commons licensing is for scenarios that involve commerce. Everything anyone posts here is free to use because there really is no way to enforce copyright on content where the owner cannot be identified and no single entity owns the federation. Unless Cosmic Cleric is your legal name...
Not sure why you’re digging this hole, but okay…
You're the one publically accusing me of lying on a public forum. You'll excuse me if I defend myself.
BASIC has little relevance to the article OP posted… It doesn’t make much sense to post a hello world loop
Agree on the relevance, disagree on the makes much sense. I posted it as a comedic post, not a serious one (what the kids these days call a "shit post"). I mean, the post subject was "Fifty Years of the Personal Computer Operating System", so commented with old computer programming code that those who were around at the time when it all started would recognize.
I typed that code into many a TRS-80 computer at the mall in my time back then.
further you can search for this loop and find thousand of syntax accurate examples, which any engineer would do normally, due to the PTSD of posting on public forums and being ripped to shreds for the most minor of typo…
Except when they are lazy to do so, or are waiting at LAX to pick someone up and you're quickly doom scrolling browsing Lemmy while watching for an arriving passenger you have to pick up.
Why would you claim to run two lines through a compiler to check it?
You're being too literal in an attempt to win an Internet argument. My point was that I can't remember every last syntax for every language I've ever learned, through forty years, so I let the compiler tell me when I've forgotten something or got something wrong. That's the only point I was making, that I let the compiler assist me in remembering syntax when I forget it.
I mean there are endless interpreters and plenty of IDEs that would have caught the mistake as well.
Yes, and what I just said for compiler was also meant for the IDE. Way back in the day we had character based text editors and we used compilers for error output, there were no IDEs. But throughout my career I used both the IDE and compiler to assist me in remembering syntax. I've also been known to use a javadoc lookup or a search through online sources to remember things as well.
BASIC is a high level educational language to promote CS in the 80s and 90s, What does posting this here, and then misusing semi-colons, do to give you any credibility. Why not Lisp, COBOL or Fortran? Is it because your trying to steal credibility like Microsoft did? Make it make sense!
Again, I posted it as a humorous comment, not serious, and I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition (/queueMontyPython) by someone who wants to prove themselves against someone else. It was just meant as a joke, that's all.
Why not Lisp, COBOL or Fortran? Is it because your trying to steal credibility like Microsoft did? Make it make sense!
I don't know Lisp or Fortran, but I do know a tiny bit COBOL (I just missed having to work with punch cards, etc.). I know (in no particular order) BASIC, C, C++, Java, C#, LUA (WoW addons AutoShoutOut, and xtremeunitbuttons), AM (propriertary 4GL), PowerBuilder, QuickBASIC, Apple Basic (still miss my Apple II+ sometimes). BTW, you forgot Pascal, which I knew a little of back then as well.
Go through my commenting history, it'll attest to my profession (if you're being intellectually honest about deciding what you read).
I stand by what I've said in each and every comment.
And finally what in the world is this CC signature. Your on Lemmy, the not-for-profit decentralized forum. Creative Commons licensing is for scenarios that involve commerce. Everything anyone posts here is free to use because there really is no way to enforce copyright on content where the owner cannot be identified and no single entity owns the federation. Unless Cosmic Cleric is your legal name…
I've already posted enough comments about that just today actually. If you really want an answer to that question, go search through my comments for today. I would just add to what you would read if you do, that at this point I also have a morbid curiosity about all the people getting bent out of shape over me adding that link, and the interesting responses I'm getting from them.
We done? We're both wasting too much time for me just admiting publically that I was just trying to do a joke comment and forgot the correct syntax that I had not used in decades, while commenting from a cell phone, doom scrolling, at a public place, while keeping an eye out for someone to arrive/meet.
Yikes, ok I can buy the shit posting. I think it's fair to say it didn't go over well. Most of the Lemmy user base is your age, who remember the dial-up days of the Internets. Most of us grew up with the Trash 80 and C64s and Apples in the classroom, which is why we are drawn to the Fediverse. So don't be surprised when you get brigaded over a BASIC syntax error, because from our perspective it came across like a 22 year old who was pretending to know what the old days were like, and making an irrelevant comment on a post about a rather tragic part of computing history. Fair enough, we done.
Truly appreciate the pull back/courtesy. Sincerely don't mean to continue the argument, but I gotta just say this last one thing, just because I'm feeling a little beat up here on Lemmy, again ...
So don’t be surprised when you get brigaded over a BASIC syntax error, because from our perspective it came across like a 22 year old who was pretending to know what the old days were like, and making an irrelevant comment on a post about a rather tragic part of computing history. Fair enough, we done.
You know, instead of just assuming negatively, you could have taken what I said at face value, instead of double-downing on your attack. You publically called me out as a liar on a public forum, without even having done one Internet search yourself on my name, though you chastised me on not doing a search myself. That's a pretty severe thing to do to another human being at an online social gathering.
It doesn't do well for Lemmy if nobody wants to ever comment on anything, especially if they make a simple mistake while doing so, because they'll get ripped apart by others, the same others who would probably wonder later on why there's not enough posts/comments activity on Lemmy. People's default 'perspective' is negative here, and we're supposed to be building a more friendlier than Reddit place here.
On top of that, someone else had replied about an error code because of the semi-colons, and I had replied back with a joke reply about the compiler accepting it (joke being BASIC is interpreted), so I was hoping that would have been enough to signal comedy (even if bad comedy) and make this a non-situation.
You know, the real irony is, when I couldn't remember to keep or remove the semi-colons (I really did take ten seconds to try and remember, and then got pissed off at myself for getting old), I finally thought "Fuck it, I'll leave them in", as I'd figure that they'd augment the comedic shit-postiness even more, as well as my previous statement of not wanting to take the time to search as I was busy looking for someone.
Most of the Lemmy user base is your age, who remember the dial-up days of the Internets.
I remember my Apple 300 baud modem well, and dialing into many BBS. Also, CompuServe (never tried Prodigy though). And of course we all did AOL.
Anyway, I'm done/exhausted, as now I've had to defend my programming career/views on both a certain video searching technique, as well as BASIC coding (and as well as the Falklands Las Malvinas Islands). Lemmy is a fucking tough place to socialize at. 😜
lmao no you had a crazy overreaction to seeing a syntax error in a joke post
My response to the syntax error was a joke. Which is why it's formatted as a console log error. I didn't think much of it, other than I didn't understand why it was relevant to OPs post. Then he responded to my comment with some sillyness about running it through a compiler, which further didn't make sense. But I was like whatever... It was when he started saying that he's too old to remember syntax and how hes been programming for forty years and all this reference his experience with old tech. It smelled of some juvenile attempt to pretend to be something he's not. Which is why I commented about this not being the place to do that because Lemmy has a large population of folks that could easily see through this. At this point I was still pretty passive and didn't think much of it.
It's when he wrote the whole I'm too old to remember syntax from all the programming hes been doing for 40 years since his days on blah blah. This is when I called him out.
So he responds about his tough day, and how it was just a shit post joke and I said fine, fair enough, we all have bad days. I was willing to put it to bed and call it.
Finally he writes this wall of text about, despite being on the internet since it inception, how people on Lemmy are being so mean to him and how I could just think more positively and on and on. Yeah I over reacted to improper syntax, that's it...
You are continuing to overreact... you don't need to "call out" someone for, like maybe just not being a very good programmer? You're insane lol
Again, I am not calling him out for being bad at programming. It's not bad to make a mistake in code, AT ALL. The very best programmer make syntax errors all the time. That's just part of it. I am calling him out for trying to justify a comment that has no relevance to the post, that was only made to draw attention to himself, when multiple people called out the error he goes into a long deflection about how he has all this experience and makes excuses and tries to make it seem like he was victimized.
This is a small community and he does this often in other posts. It gets tiring seeing this nonsense, which I didn't say anything about until after started with all the "back in my day" stuff. I don't think it's an over reaction to try to humble someone who struggles with admitting fault, (not about programming, but that he is capable of making a mistake, in any context). It's a lesson we all should learn, especially someone who is over forty. If this makes me insane, then so be it.
Gary Kildall was so depressed he committed suicide, because Bill Gates (Microsoft) stole his OS and used it and his mothers position in IBM to undercut him, and he couldn't do anything about it.
PS:
I can write that Bill Gates and Microsoft stole it without fear of repercussions from either, because that's already been decided in a court of law decades ago.
Wat
Gary Kildall's lawyer later stated Gary Kildall lacked the tenacity Bill Gates had, because he didn't sue based on same lawyers legal advice, that software probably wasn't legally protected by copyright.
If you don't know, QDOS was copied from CP/M, and Microsoft bought QDOS and relabeled it MS-DOS, and sold it to IBM as PC-DOS. Main difference being that Microsoft removed the few safety features that were present in CP/M, causing decades of nightmares with bad security and viruses.
But the suicide part … that confirmed as well?
Honestly don’t know, just surprised to read that.
No it's not, I may remember that part wrong, it was speculated to be homicide, but his wife told he was very depressed about Microsoft using his own OS to win the contract with IBM.
I'd have loved to work for him!
Nobody's ever has a bad time with PCOS!
was cp/m really that good? never used it and all of the media I've seen of it looks like just another variant of dos. i grew up using dos, and I use the shell for a lot of stuff at work all the time these days, but i think most people prefer to interact via a gui
I think you mean DOS looks like a variant of CP/M, because DOS started as a clone of CP/M.
Because DOS is a stolen illegal copy of CP/M, but with a few features removed. And yes CP/M was way better, and had for instance multitasking way before MS-DOS. And it had filesystem safety, the lack of which caused decades of security nightmares on PC.
10 PRINT "HELLO!";
20 GOTO 10;
Edit: The above is meant as a comedic /s joke.
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Error- 2 at line 10
Well, the compiler didn't complain, so I checked it in. /s
Edit: Added the /s as people were not realizing that BASIC is interpreted was part of the joke.
Edit2: Looks at the downvotes. /picardfacepalm I'm never doing another comedic shitpost on Lemmy ever again.
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Semicolons?
I'm too fucking old to remember if I needed those or not, so I thought WTF and just threw them in there.
That's how long I've been programming, so long that I can't even remember the syntax anymore. 😋
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Lemmy isn’t the best place to make up stories about your programming pedigree… it’s kind of a thing here.
Not that I have any way of proving that to you, but I'm not, I just couldn't honestly remember the last time I was typing BASIC code into my Apple II+ (and TRS-80 at the mall) , since I've been coding for over forty years, they all tend to kind of run together after a while. I usually let the compiler set me straight.
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Not sure why you're digging this hole, but okay... You claim to have 40 years experience, a retired software dev.... BASIC has little relevance to the article OP posted... It doesn't make much sense to post a hello world loop, further you can search for this loop and find thousand of syntax accurate examples, which any engineer would do normally, due to the PTSD of posting on public forums and being ripped to shreds for the most minor of typo...
Why would you claim to run two lines through a compiler to check it? I mean there are endless interpreters and plenty of IDEs that would have caught the mistake as well.
BASIC is a high level educational language to promote CS in the 80s and 90s, What does posting this here, and then misusing semi-colons, do to give you any credibility. Why not Lisp, COBOL or Fortran? Is it because your trying to steal credibility like Microsoft did? Make it make sense!
And finally what in the world is this CC signature. Your on Lemmy, the not-for-profit decentralized forum. Creative Commons licensing is for scenarios that involve commerce. Everything anyone posts here is free to use because there really is no way to enforce copyright on content where the owner cannot be identified and no single entity owns the federation. Unless Cosmic Cleric is your legal name...
You're the one publically accusing me of lying on a public forum. You'll excuse me if I defend myself.
Agree on the relevance, disagree on the makes much sense. I posted it as a comedic post, not a serious one (what the kids these days call a "shit post"). I mean, the post subject was "Fifty Years of the Personal Computer Operating System", so commented with old computer programming code that those who were around at the time when it all started would recognize.
I typed that code into many a TRS-80 computer at the mall in my time back then.
Except when they are lazy to do so, or are waiting at LAX to pick someone up and you're quickly doom scrolling browsing Lemmy while watching for an arriving passenger you have to pick up.
You're being too literal in an attempt to win an Internet argument. My point was that I can't remember every last syntax for every language I've ever learned, through forty years, so I let the compiler tell me when I've forgotten something or got something wrong. That's the only point I was making, that I let the compiler assist me in remembering syntax when I forget it.
Yes, and what I just said for compiler was also meant for the IDE. Way back in the day we had character based text editors and we used compilers for error output, there were no IDEs. But throughout my career I used both the IDE and compiler to assist me in remembering syntax. I've also been known to use a javadoc lookup or a search through online sources to remember things as well.
Again, I posted it as a humorous comment, not serious, and I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition (/queueMontyPython) by someone who wants to prove themselves against someone else. It was just meant as a joke, that's all.
I don't know Lisp or Fortran, but I do know a tiny bit COBOL (I just missed having to work with punch cards, etc.). I know (in no particular order) BASIC, C, C++, Java, C#, LUA (WoW addons AutoShoutOut, and xtremeunitbuttons), AM (propriertary 4GL), PowerBuilder, QuickBASIC, Apple Basic (still miss my Apple II+ sometimes). BTW, you forgot Pascal, which I knew a little of back then as well.
Go through my commenting history, it'll attest to my profession (if you're being intellectually honest about deciding what you read).
I stand by what I've said in each and every comment.
I've already posted enough comments about that just today actually. If you really want an answer to that question, go search through my comments for today. I would just add to what you would read if you do, that at this point I also have a morbid curiosity about all the people getting bent out of shape over me adding that link, and the interesting responses I'm getting from them.
We done? We're both wasting too much time for me just admiting publically that I was just trying to do a joke comment and forgot the correct syntax that I had not used in decades, while commenting from a cell phone, doom scrolling, at a public place, while keeping an eye out for someone to arrive/meet.
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Yikes, ok I can buy the shit posting. I think it's fair to say it didn't go over well. Most of the Lemmy user base is your age, who remember the dial-up days of the Internets. Most of us grew up with the Trash 80 and C64s and Apples in the classroom, which is why we are drawn to the Fediverse. So don't be surprised when you get brigaded over a BASIC syntax error, because from our perspective it came across like a 22 year old who was pretending to know what the old days were like, and making an irrelevant comment on a post about a rather tragic part of computing history. Fair enough, we done.
Truly appreciate the pull back/courtesy. Sincerely don't mean to continue the argument, but I gotta just say this last one thing, just because I'm feeling a little beat up here on Lemmy, again ...
You know, instead of just assuming negatively, you could have taken what I said at face value, instead of double-downing on your attack. You publically called me out as a liar on a public forum, without even having done one Internet search yourself on my name, though you chastised me on not doing a search myself. That's a pretty severe thing to do to another human being at an online social gathering.
It doesn't do well for Lemmy if nobody wants to ever comment on anything, especially if they make a simple mistake while doing so, because they'll get ripped apart by others, the same others who would probably wonder later on why there's not enough posts/comments activity on Lemmy. People's default 'perspective' is negative here, and we're supposed to be building a more friendlier than Reddit place here.
On top of that, someone else had replied about an error code because of the semi-colons, and I had replied back with a joke reply about the compiler accepting it (joke being BASIC is interpreted), so I was hoping that would have been enough to signal comedy (even if bad comedy) and make this a non-situation.
You know, the real irony is, when I couldn't remember to keep or remove the semi-colons (I really did take ten seconds to try and remember, and then got pissed off at myself for getting old), I finally thought "Fuck it, I'll leave them in", as I'd figure that they'd augment the comedic shit-postiness even more, as well as my previous statement of not wanting to take the time to search as I was busy looking for someone.
I remember my Apple 300 baud modem well, and dialing into many BBS. Also, CompuServe (never tried Prodigy though). And of course we all did AOL.
Anyway, I'm done/exhausted, as now I've had to defend my programming career/views on both a certain video searching technique, as well as BASIC coding (and as well as
the FalklandsLas Malvinas Islands). Lemmy is a fucking tough place to socialize at. 😜~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
lmao no you had a crazy overreaction to seeing a syntax error in a joke post
My response to the syntax error was a joke. Which is why it's formatted as a console log error. I didn't think much of it, other than I didn't understand why it was relevant to OPs post. Then he responded to my comment with some sillyness about running it through a compiler, which further didn't make sense. But I was like whatever... It was when he started saying that he's too old to remember syntax and how hes been programming for forty years and all this reference his experience with old tech. It smelled of some juvenile attempt to pretend to be something he's not. Which is why I commented about this not being the place to do that because Lemmy has a large population of folks that could easily see through this. At this point I was still pretty passive and didn't think much of it.
It's when he wrote the whole I'm too old to remember syntax from all the programming hes been doing for 40 years since his days on blah blah. This is when I called him out.
So he responds about his tough day, and how it was just a shit post joke and I said fine, fair enough, we all have bad days. I was willing to put it to bed and call it.
Finally he writes this wall of text about, despite being on the internet since it inception, how people on Lemmy are being so mean to him and how I could just think more positively and on and on. Yeah I over reacted to improper syntax, that's it...
You are continuing to overreact... you don't need to "call out" someone for, like maybe just not being a very good programmer? You're insane lol
Again, I am not calling him out for being bad at programming. It's not bad to make a mistake in code, AT ALL. The very best programmer make syntax errors all the time. That's just part of it. I am calling him out for trying to justify a comment that has no relevance to the post, that was only made to draw attention to himself, when multiple people called out the error he goes into a long deflection about how he has all this experience and makes excuses and tries to make it seem like he was victimized.
This is a small community and he does this often in other posts. It gets tiring seeing this nonsense, which I didn't say anything about until after started with all the "back in my day" stuff. I don't think it's an over reaction to try to humble someone who struggles with admitting fault, (not about programming, but that he is capable of making a mistake, in any context). It's a lesson we all should learn, especially someone who is over forty. If this makes me insane, then so be it.
Did you just claim copyright on two of the most common lines of code ever written?
Like when AT&T copyrighted /bin/true
I'm a sucker for copy and paste. /shrug
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