So if you're not an American you're free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it's not a crime?
So if you're not an American you're free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it's not a crime?
Two points.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you're neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
Second, not sure where you got the "sabotage the US" part from:
the request came from Ukraine
from the beginning, Musk has been sabotaging Russia by disabling Starlink outside of Ukrainian borders, this was supported by both Ukraine and the US
the Ukrainian request was for removing part of the sabotage so Ukraine could attack Russia with Ukrainian drones
it wasn't a US request, it didn't involve any US assets, or any US operations
Maybe Ukraine should have asked the US, instead of asking a private non-Ukrainian citizen.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you’re neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
Yup, and the US charges non-citzens that are not on their soil all the time. If they can't get the extradition there's nothing they can do about it unless the person sets foot on US soil, but that doesn't stop it from being a criminal offence or from the person being charged.
Second, not sure where you got the “sabotage the US” part from
It was an analogy. The person I was replying to seemed to be saying "It can't be a criminal offence because Musk isn't Ukranian" which is nonsense. I assumed they where likely American and used an example of something closer to home to show why that is incorrect.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you're neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
No, this is demonstrably false in many areas of law.
For example OFAC explicitly targets non US persons and organizations in sanctions enforcement. It is explicitly written into nearly every presidential order authorizing sanctions. I'd be happy to direct you to a few if you like, but you can just pick any from here: https://ofac.treasury.gov
So if you're not an American you're free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it's not a crime?
Two points.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you're neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
Second, not sure where you got the "sabotage the US" part from:
Maybe Ukraine should have asked the US, instead of asking a private non-Ukrainian citizen.
Yup, and the US charges non-citzens that are not on their soil all the time. If they can't get the extradition there's nothing they can do about it unless the person sets foot on US soil, but that doesn't stop it from being a criminal offence or from the person being charged.
It was an analogy. The person I was replying to seemed to be saying "It can't be a criminal offence because Musk isn't Ukranian" which is nonsense. I assumed they where likely American and used an example of something closer to home to show why that is incorrect.
No, this is demonstrably false in many areas of law.
For example OFAC explicitly targets non US persons and organizations in sanctions enforcement. It is explicitly written into nearly every presidential order authorizing sanctions. I'd be happy to direct you to a few if you like, but you can just pick any from here: https://ofac.treasury.gov
Yeah but it's not called treason, treason is to your own country, ofc this is still an illegal offense in Ukraine but I don't think it's treason?
The parent comments are talking about sabotage. You added the word treason.
I think he replied to the wrong comment.