Electric cars are still a 3 ton object you'll needlessly try to dispose of in 5 years.
Electric cars are here to save the car companies, not the environment.
Mine weighs 1.5 tons and is going strongly into it's sixth year of existence at about 95% capacity left. 3/4 of the year I'm driving it exclusively using power from my own roof. It uses about 14kWh/100km which is the equivalent of about 1.3 Liters of Gasoline. I fail to see how all of this is not an advantage.
You fail to see how basing an economy on the premise of (almost) everyone relying on 1.5ton machine to get around? I fail to see what's so difficult to see
While relatively better, it's still incredibly wasteful
So, what do we do with this insight? Like, right now?
We keep complaining, obviously.
Encourage investment in public transit.
Yes, a noble idea, sure, but what do I do now with the ressources available to me? I am not a politician, people here laugh about the green party because most of them are farmers, land owners and factory workers, so voting green has some sort of meaning for the stats but doesn't impact anything in local politics. I don't own a company, I'm not responsible for public transport or any decisions related to it and I'm not rich enough for outright bribery lobbyism, so what I can do is:
turn most of my appliances to running on electricity
make as much electricity as possible locally from renewables
Hence, electric cars. Oh yeah, and taking the bike when possible, I do that.
buy a moped?
I have an electric bike for those instances where I only need to transport myself and a backpack. But then again, I've got a few hectars of forest to take care of, family within a 100km radius and a girlfriend and a dog, so riding my bike is not always an option.
Yeah I am not doing that again. It was fun when I was single but not so much when you have kids. Yes I have done the sidecar thing and yes I have been to regions of the world where this is the norm. Not doing it again, all it takes is one accident and my family will be dead.
That’s awesome, but how much does a car + charger + home batteries + solar roof cost upfront? I know it will eventually pay itself off.
I would love to go the same path but I know the upfront cost of all of this stuff can be pretty insane
Home batteries, wallbox for the cars (honestly, those are just fancy plugs with some switching logic) and panels was about 30k€, heatpump and floor heating was about 60k€. The heatpump helps with using even more of my own energy. Currently I'm almost 100% self sufficient (including mobility, except for lonmg range drives) between the middle of march and the middle of october, which is okay. At current inflation rates all this will have paid for itself in about 18 years in comparison to more traditional versions of all of it.
5 years??? You change cars every 5 years?
Me love traaaiins!
1 word: Batteries
Got any stats for that or is it just the usual anti-EV BS where you equate EVs to cellphones? No? Of course you don’t and are just making shit up.
Anti-EV? The fuck are you talking about this is anti car dependance.
I’m referring to the “dispose of in 5 years” comment, as if EVs are easily outmoded throwaway tech like cellphones.
A fairly standard anti-EV comment, often paired with the “worse for the environment” comment.
Electric cars are still a 3 ton object you'll needlessly try to dispose of in 5 years.
Electric cars are here to save the car companies, not the environment.
Mine weighs 1.5 tons and is going strongly into it's sixth year of existence at about 95% capacity left. 3/4 of the year I'm driving it exclusively using power from my own roof. It uses about 14kWh/100km which is the equivalent of about 1.3 Liters of Gasoline. I fail to see how all of this is not an advantage.
You fail to see how basing an economy on the premise of (almost) everyone relying on 1.5ton machine to get around? I fail to see what's so difficult to see
While relatively better, it's still incredibly wasteful
So, what do we do with this insight? Like, right now?
We keep complaining, obviously.
Encourage investment in public transit.
Yes, a noble idea, sure, but what do I do now with the ressources available to me? I am not a politician, people here laugh about the green party because most of them are farmers, land owners and factory workers, so voting green has some sort of meaning for the stats but doesn't impact anything in local politics. I don't own a company, I'm not responsible for public transport or any decisions related to it and I'm not rich enough for outright
briberylobbyism, so what I can do is:Hence, electric cars. Oh yeah, and taking the bike when possible, I do that.
buy a moped?
I have an electric bike for those instances where I only need to transport myself and a backpack. But then again, I've got a few hectars of forest to take care of, family within a 100km radius and a girlfriend and a dog, so riding my bike is not always an option.
Yeah I am not doing that again. It was fun when I was single but not so much when you have kids. Yes I have done the sidecar thing and yes I have been to regions of the world where this is the norm. Not doing it again, all it takes is one accident and my family will be dead.
That’s awesome, but how much does a car + charger + home batteries + solar roof cost upfront? I know it will eventually pay itself off.
I would love to go the same path but I know the upfront cost of all of this stuff can be pretty insane
Home batteries, wallbox for the cars (honestly, those are just fancy plugs with some switching logic) and panels was about 30k€, heatpump and floor heating was about 60k€. The heatpump helps with using even more of my own energy. Currently I'm almost 100% self sufficient (including mobility, except for lonmg range drives) between the middle of march and the middle of october, which is okay. At current inflation rates all this will have paid for itself in about 18 years in comparison to more traditional versions of all of it.
5 years??? You change cars every 5 years?
Me love traaaiins!
1 word: Batteries
Got any stats for that or is it just the usual anti-EV BS where you equate EVs to cellphones? No? Of course you don’t and are just making shit up.
Anti-EV? The fuck are you talking about this is anti car dependance.
I’m referring to the “dispose of in 5 years” comment, as if EVs are easily outmoded throwaway tech like cellphones.
A fairly standard anti-EV comment, often paired with the “worse for the environment” comment.