Why is there always such a shitshow when it comes to these laws? In Switzerland we have EXIT which is also assisted suicide. Nobody cares that it exists, it is just a reasonable system.
Because the conditions applied always seem to be revolving around removing undesirables within Canada. This example makes people fear that Canadian hospital workers will begin pressuring drug addict patients to kill themselves, or even darker, signing them up for euthanasia without their knowing or consent.
Healthcare worker here.
There is a long list of steps that have to be put into place before someone is even elected for MAiD recommendation by a doctor.
Then there is a 3 step consent process in which the patient must be lucid. Maybe people who want MAiD are unable to successfully give the last step of consent unfortunately. I myself had to watch my grandmother die slowly rather than though MAiD like she wanted because she lost lucidity.
Between those steps either a doctor or a pharmacist will get in touch with the patient to go over the steps of MAiD again.
The drugs for MAiD aren't over the counter. After all of the above steps are done then the pharmacist does up the compounds. Every Pharmacist I know triple checks their paper work and thier medications.
Then they would either provide MAiD in hosiptal or make a home visit. At the moment handing off the compounds to the family is not allowed here.
There are so many steps and checks and paperwork that no one is getting MAiD signed up against thier will.
I am certain your examples are quite impossible. Neither pressure or involuntary signups.
It might be impossible where you are from (because it's better implemented or controlled there, I don't know) but in Canada our health care has turned to shit (our healthcare system was struggling pre-pandemic and is now even worse).
There were instances of First Nation mothers being forced or strongly encouraged immediately after giving birth (when they aren't of sound mind) to be sterilized. If something as horrendous as that can happen, it's not much of a stretch to believe that bad acting health care workers might try to force people who are vulnerable to agree to euthanasia.
The veterans don’t seem to be such a huge case as the headline suggests. It clearly isn’t systematic and the individual cases sound more like frontline workers who made mistakes instead of malicious intent.
And the sterilizations are clearly systematic racism and not a way to save the apparently fragile healthcare system.
Canada does not have a great history, given the (shockingly recent) sterilization of indigenous women.
Also, worth noting that assisted suicide had been around in Canada for awhile, and not without it's problems that seem quite like those described by the person you were replying to, including some specific cases:
These were quite interesting. I don’t really see OP’s claims being supported by the examples given. They either don’t really make sense as the cases wouldn’t be allowed for MAID (according to the article) as they do not meet the requirements of the law. Or they seem to be individual cases where someone mistakenly suggests MAID where they shouldn’t have. That is bad but not malicious intent.
And the last article is just an opinion piece claiming all countries with MAID are going down a suicide highway.
There are obviously issues in Canada, like the meagerly 1400$ people apparently get when they are unable to work due to medical conditions (back home we pay 80% of whatever they made before they had to quit).
But I can not see these horrific scenarios that I always read about when these laws are being discussed. It sounds like the government is collecting people on trucks to kill them off. Which very obviously is not the case or they are extremely amazing at hiding it.
There are some fucked up nurses in VGH. I can definitely see them pulling this shit.
I'm all for this, but when the reason someone wants to go is because of an arguably temporary mental health condition, that is hard to justify.
That also makes it more difficult for mental health professionals, when an easy way out is there for the patient.
Drug addiction, in my opinion, comes dangerously close to a mental health disorder.
It is a symptom of many disorders. That’s what is wrong with this thing entirely. It lets everyone off the hook of helping someone who could be helped but instead they just want to sit back and judge them for taking the painkillers some doctor put them on.
The bad is that they're making categories of people with helped death on the table for those specifically detested.
Hey so just to give you some context assisted suicide already exists in Canada for the terminally ill.
This is not that.
I don’t think the thing you are comparing to is the same situation is where government is purposely leaving behind depressed and people with disabilities or really any negligible problem and then offering them death as the only option.
How do you get out of feeling guilt of not building a ramp for someone with a wheelchair? Oh just tell them to go kill themselves as their only option.
It’s a situation where you just don’t have a doctor to help you stay healthy but you have a doctor to help you die.
The great passive aggression of political classism Canada 2023.
They are actually making Britain look like the compassionate ones. That’s saying something.
Drug addicts can't do assisted suicide in Switzerland, it's not an untreatable illness.
I wouldn’t know of any law preventing MAID in the cases described by the article.
Why is there always such a shitshow when it comes to these laws? In Switzerland we have EXIT which is also assisted suicide. Nobody cares that it exists, it is just a reasonable system.
Because the conditions applied always seem to be revolving around removing undesirables within Canada. This example makes people fear that Canadian hospital workers will begin pressuring drug addict patients to kill themselves, or even darker, signing them up for euthanasia without their knowing or consent.
Healthcare worker here.
There is a long list of steps that have to be put into place before someone is even elected for MAiD recommendation by a doctor.
Then there is a 3 step consent process in which the patient must be lucid. Maybe people who want MAiD are unable to successfully give the last step of consent unfortunately. I myself had to watch my grandmother die slowly rather than though MAiD like she wanted because she lost lucidity.
Between those steps either a doctor or a pharmacist will get in touch with the patient to go over the steps of MAiD again.
The drugs for MAiD aren't over the counter. After all of the above steps are done then the pharmacist does up the compounds. Every Pharmacist I know triple checks their paper work and thier medications.
Then they would either provide MAiD in hosiptal or make a home visit. At the moment handing off the compounds to the family is not allowed here.
There are so many steps and checks and paperwork that no one is getting MAiD signed up against thier will.
I am certain your examples are quite impossible. Neither pressure or involuntary signups.
It might be impossible where you are from (because it's better implemented or controlled there, I don't know) but in Canada our health care has turned to shit (our healthcare system was struggling pre-pandemic and is now even worse). There were instances of First Nation mothers being forced or strongly encouraged immediately after giving birth (when they aren't of sound mind) to be sterilized. If something as horrendous as that can happen, it's not much of a stretch to believe that bad acting health care workers might try to force people who are vulnerable to agree to euthanasia.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canadian-veterans-assisted-suicide
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/report-uncovers-forced-sterilization-in-quebec-1.6663340
The veterans don’t seem to be such a huge case as the headline suggests. It clearly isn’t systematic and the individual cases sound more like frontline workers who made mistakes instead of malicious intent.
And the sterilizations are clearly systematic racism and not a way to save the apparently fragile healthcare system.
Canada does not have a great history, given the (shockingly recent) sterilization of indigenous women.
Also, worth noting that assisted suicide had been around in Canada for awhile, and not without it's problems that seem quite like those described by the person you were replying to, including some specific cases:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws
https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867
https://bioedge.org/end-of-life-issues/euthanasia/disabled-canadian-man-complains-about-pressure-to-accept-assisted-suicide-because-his-care-costs-too-much/
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/canada-law-provide-not-prevent-suicide
There's a lot more if you look into it.
These were quite interesting. I don’t really see OP’s claims being supported by the examples given. They either don’t really make sense as the cases wouldn’t be allowed for MAID (according to the article) as they do not meet the requirements of the law. Or they seem to be individual cases where someone mistakenly suggests MAID where they shouldn’t have. That is bad but not malicious intent. And the last article is just an opinion piece claiming all countries with MAID are going down a suicide highway.
There are obviously issues in Canada, like the meagerly 1400$ people apparently get when they are unable to work due to medical conditions (back home we pay 80% of whatever they made before they had to quit).
But I can not see these horrific scenarios that I always read about when these laws are being discussed. It sounds like the government is collecting people on trucks to kill them off. Which very obviously is not the case or they are extremely amazing at hiding it.
There are some fucked up nurses in VGH. I can definitely see them pulling this shit.
I'm all for this, but when the reason someone wants to go is because of an arguably temporary mental health condition, that is hard to justify.
That also makes it more difficult for mental health professionals, when an easy way out is there for the patient.
Drug addiction, in my opinion, comes dangerously close to a mental health disorder.
It is a symptom of many disorders. That’s what is wrong with this thing entirely. It lets everyone off the hook of helping someone who could be helped but instead they just want to sit back and judge them for taking the painkillers some doctor put them on.
The bad is that they're making categories of people with helped death on the table for those specifically detested.
Hey so just to give you some context assisted suicide already exists in Canada for the terminally ill.
This is not that.
I don’t think the thing you are comparing to is the same situation is where government is purposely leaving behind depressed and people with disabilities or really any negligible problem and then offering them death as the only option. How do you get out of feeling guilt of not building a ramp for someone with a wheelchair? Oh just tell them to go kill themselves as their only option.
It’s a situation where you just don’t have a doctor to help you stay healthy but you have a doctor to help you die.
The great passive aggression of political classism Canada 2023.
They are actually making Britain look like the compassionate ones. That’s saying something.
Drug addicts can't do assisted suicide in Switzerland, it's not an untreatable illness.
I wouldn’t know of any law preventing MAID in the cases described by the article.