I’m definitely more of a progressive than a democrat and I may not like Biden much, but I’ll sure as shit vote for him to prevent another Trump term. I feel like the media is trying to create a crisis here.
Not just the media but also... Am I the only one frustrated by the amount of "voting for Biden is dumb" posts on Lemmy? Yeah, he sucks, I don't like him. He's basically a 1950s Republican from back when they at least pretended to have some standards and acted like the government could occasionally do things. That's not inspiring.
But what's the play here? Don't vote at all? Vote for Trump but ironically? I don't get it. Voting is NOT the only thing you can do, and it's not the only thing you SHOULD be doing, but it's still a thing you absolutely should do.
I may not like Biden much, but I’ll sure as shit vote for him to prevent another Trump term.
That may work for us, but we absolutely need to get some people excited and motivated, or they'll just stay home, handing the election to Trump...
The problem here is you are voting because you are afraid of a Trump second term rather than voting for a candidate that is qualified for the position.
If you are more of an independent and look at a crazy person on one side and a senile sun downing person on the other the choice is more of a 50 50.
The Democrats are playing with fire and doing undemocratic plays to keep viable candidates out of the race and hide a compromised Biden instead of having an open primary and that might cost all of regardless of who actually wins.
The problem as stated are the same sorts of sentiments that lost Hillary, and won Trump, the 2016 election.
Also, as an independent myself, I take issue at the implication that "insurectionist" vs "old man screaming at clouds" is at all a 50/50 choice
I think it's already a disservice that we're allowing this to be the narrative. Biden is certainly no spring chicken, but he's nowhere close to "sun-downing" or "old man screaming at clouds" and this narrative only works because republicans are better at messaging by a mile, and Biden has and has had a stutter his entire life.
And though he's no where near progressive enough for my tastes, he's probably got the most progressive record of just about any modern president.
Tbh if we want to get somewhere, we'd stop letting Republican talking points turn into the framing for everyone else. The topic of Biden's age now dominates any discussion about him on either side, as if Trump isn't basically the same age, and actually frequently showing more and more real signs of senility, never mind the whole "criminal, rapist, insurrectionist, traitor using state secrets to curry favor."
Hiliary's loss can be chalked up to similar reasons, of course tossing in a hefty, heft dose of misogyny. We let RBF and "but her emails" turn into this mess.
Like, why are we doing far right republican's messaging for them?
Okay but the other side is a senile sundowning crazy person. We act like Biden is so much older than Trump but it's only three years.
Anyone ever see the orange Mussolini on a bicycle?
Oh for sure. Trump is high as balls on uppers and a cocktail of meds to have him bounce off the wall at rallys, I just wish Trump would let Biden take a hit off of whatever he's using.
I think it's about optics and looking at Biden on stage wandering around and falling down stairs/over his own words vs Trump who's shitting on all of his opponents and captivating his base it's resonating with a base that's fed up.
I think Biden policy wise is a lot better than any president we have had in recent memory (chips act, leaving Afghanistan, covid relief, cares act, TRYING to get student debt relief) but the general population in today's age needs to have a politician message to them what their party is actually doing for them and Biden and his admin of fail on that level so often.
Thanks for pointing out Biden's record. He has been able to get a lot accomplished and I hate always seeing the fascist's messaging has permeated so deeply that everyone calls Biden senile...
He is senile. That doesn't mean I don't like his administrations policies and that doesn't take away that he has done more for a progressive agenda than what was expected.
He's on the same path as Regan was with his age, the difference is social media wasn't a thing so they could hide Regan easier.
Well I’m not an independent and I completely disagree that the choice is 50/50. I have seen what Trump did to this country and I believe it is vital that we do not allow him to have a second term. There are plenty of issues with Biden but they pale in comparison to what Trump will do if re-elected. You are damn right I’m afraid of a second term with him. He almost destroyed our democracy during his first term. Just look at the shit he is outright saying he will do if re-elected.
It’s really not that close though, when the crazy person has such a history of fraud and corruption, is such a danger to our country, our society, has been so dividing, whose policies are responsible for so many pandemic deaths, so beholden to corporate interests and foreign dictators, etc. His approach to governing is a three year old throwing a tantrum and smashing Lego sets
I’m definitely more of a progressive than a democrat and I may not like Biden much, but I’ll sure as shit vote for him to prevent another Trump term. I feel like the media is trying to create a crisis here.
Not just the media but also... Am I the only one frustrated by the amount of "voting for Biden is dumb" posts on Lemmy? Yeah, he sucks, I don't like him. He's basically a 1950s Republican from back when they at least pretended to have some standards and acted like the government could occasionally do things. That's not inspiring.
But what's the play here? Don't vote at all? Vote for Trump but ironically? I don't get it. Voting is NOT the only thing you can do, and it's not the only thing you SHOULD be doing, but it's still a thing you absolutely should do.
That may work for us, but we absolutely need to get some people excited and motivated, or they'll just stay home, handing the election to Trump...
Oh no, there is a crisis.
It's an incredibly idiotic one. But it exists.
The problem here is you are voting because you are afraid of a Trump second term rather than voting for a candidate that is qualified for the position.
If you are more of an independent and look at a crazy person on one side and a senile sun downing person on the other the choice is more of a 50 50.
The Democrats are playing with fire and doing undemocratic plays to keep viable candidates out of the race and hide a compromised Biden instead of having an open primary and that might cost all of regardless of who actually wins.
The problem as stated are the same sorts of sentiments that lost Hillary, and won Trump, the 2016 election.
Also, as an independent myself, I take issue at the implication that "insurectionist" vs "old man screaming at clouds" is at all a 50/50 choice
I think it's already a disservice that we're allowing this to be the narrative. Biden is certainly no spring chicken, but he's nowhere close to "sun-downing" or "old man screaming at clouds" and this narrative only works because republicans are better at messaging by a mile, and Biden has and has had a stutter his entire life.
And though he's no where near progressive enough for my tastes, he's probably got the most progressive record of just about any modern president.
Tbh if we want to get somewhere, we'd stop letting Republican talking points turn into the framing for everyone else. The topic of Biden's age now dominates any discussion about him on either side, as if Trump isn't basically the same age, and actually frequently showing more and more real signs of senility, never mind the whole "criminal, rapist, insurrectionist, traitor using state secrets to curry favor."
Hiliary's loss can be chalked up to similar reasons, of course tossing in a hefty, heft dose of misogyny. We let RBF and "but her emails" turn into this mess.
Like, why are we doing far right republican's messaging for them?
Okay but the other side is a senile sundowning crazy person. We act like Biden is so much older than Trump but it's only three years.
Anyone ever see the orange Mussolini on a bicycle?
Oh for sure. Trump is high as balls on uppers and a cocktail of meds to have him bounce off the wall at rallys, I just wish Trump would let Biden take a hit off of whatever he's using.
I think it's about optics and looking at Biden on stage wandering around and falling down stairs/over his own words vs Trump who's shitting on all of his opponents and captivating his base it's resonating with a base that's fed up.
I think Biden policy wise is a lot better than any president we have had in recent memory (chips act, leaving Afghanistan, covid relief, cares act, TRYING to get student debt relief) but the general population in today's age needs to have a politician message to them what their party is actually doing for them and Biden and his admin of fail on that level so often.
Thanks for pointing out Biden's record. He has been able to get a lot accomplished and I hate always seeing the fascist's messaging has permeated so deeply that everyone calls Biden senile...
He is senile. That doesn't mean I don't like his administrations policies and that doesn't take away that he has done more for a progressive agenda than what was expected.
He's on the same path as Regan was with his age, the difference is social media wasn't a thing so they could hide Regan easier.
Well I’m not an independent and I completely disagree that the choice is 50/50. I have seen what Trump did to this country and I believe it is vital that we do not allow him to have a second term. There are plenty of issues with Biden but they pale in comparison to what Trump will do if re-elected. You are damn right I’m afraid of a second term with him. He almost destroyed our democracy during his first term. Just look at the shit he is outright saying he will do if re-elected.
Sorry I prefer a senile person to a political strongman
I hope others feel the same as you but I've lost faith in the electorial college and the two parties a long time ago.
It’s really not that close though, when the crazy person has such a history of fraud and corruption, is such a danger to our country, our society, has been so dividing, whose policies are responsible for so many pandemic deaths, so beholden to corporate interests and foreign dictators, etc. His approach to governing is a three year old throwing a tantrum and smashing Lego sets