I think is time to [#switch](https://mas.to/tags/switch) back to [@firefox](https://lemmy.ml/c/firefox)

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I’m going to paste a reply I got in regards to Brave and why you should change to a different browser

  1. Brave is an advertising company, that blocks everyone, but them. Forcing over people and companies into their system.

  2. They’re heavily in the blockchain ecosystem, with their own worthless crypto.

  3. They take from open source projects (uBlock, Chromium, etc), but threaten legal action when someone forks them.

  4. They install bloat/spyware on your Windows system (later claimed it was a mistake).

  5. Brave, and its CEO is right-wing, lobbying against things like same-sex marriage.

Youre forgetting the fact chrome/chromium has integrated their whole drm b/s recently. They want ad blockers to die, period.

I’m going to paste a reply I got in regards to Brave and why you should change to a different browser

just let people do whatever they want, wtf is wrong with you people

It's still better than using Google / Edge, and it's basically the only good chromium alternative to the aforementioned browsers - reminder that stock chromium is not good.

Beside, you forgot the most important point: they further the chromium monopoly, which while the engine is open source its codebase is too big so it is basically controlled by google

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Brave is an advertising company, that blocks everyone, but them. Forcing over people and companies into their system.

You can disable all the ads.

They’re heavily in the blockchain ecosystem, with their own worthless crypto.

Depending on whom you ask, it's a pro or a cons.

Brave, and its CEO is right-wing, lobbying against things like same-sex marriage.

See above.

just let people do whatever they want, wtf is wrong with you people

How are they stopping them? They're not. But if you think that opposing equal rights for LGBT+ people is a good thing, then you're a massive piece of shit, and we're morally obligated to call you out for it, openly and repeatedly.

You “suggested” a browser change + mass downvote just for using brave, lol

if you think opposing […]

I don’t, but I don’t see how using a free browser, more so disabling the ads, you support that person or the idea

Like, I could see a point if you paid anything for it (see: Rowling) but for brave you pay nothing so

Vivaldi is chromium based and far better than the alternatives imo. They're openly anti-big tech, push the fediverse, and will be forking starting at manifest v3.

It is still closed source nonetheless, which is a bit of a gimmick since nobody sane enough could read through most of a browser codebase anyway.

According to this website it is less private than Brave by default, more or less like Firefox

That said, I didn't consider it before but I'll definitely check it out later

AFAIK it was tested with the default setting set to no tracker- and ad-blocker. When enabling all the built in measurements it looks a lot better.

  1. Don't use Brave rewards, so don't care.

  2. See 1.

  3. So like any for-profit company? Bad, but don't care.

  4. It's very brain dead to call the VPN service spyware. Besides, you're on Windows, you have a lot more spyware to worry about first.

  5. Yeah, don't care. If we go examining every company by if their leaders are morally good or not, we are gonna come very empty.

But do you know what I care about? A browser that actually fucking works on mobile and doesn't crash every other time I open it up.

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  1. Check logs, with strict settings they block own domains. Even their telemetry is opt-in, not opt-out as other browsers do.
  2. Cryptoshit is a thing, but 100% opt-in. Accountless sync is real solution for privacy.
  3. False. Both Cromium and Brave borrow patches from each other, that is a nature of open-source. They sued someone using Brave branding, and some scam projects as well.
  4. False. That's how Windows is made, VPN services installed are only manually started.
  5. That's maybe even good, same-sex marriage is not normal for most people, but anyway that has nothing to do with browser, even if CEO eats childs on breakfast.

You should stop using products for ethical reasons when the CEO is a doodoohead.

You should stop using products for ethical reasons

Yes, that's why I don't use Firefox. I don't like companies that give their CEOs the entirety of goodwill donations and use the vast majority of the rest of the money they make on companies with empty descriptions to give speeches and whatever instead of really investing in their technology to stop having stupid bugs and maybe even be better enough than Chrome to give normies a reason to use it.

Lol "I support unethical billionaires because non profits are immoral unless they match my definition of perfect!"

I'm sorry, is it that weird of a feeling to want a company that pretty much has a single successful product to invest in it when it's an important part of the internet and in constant usage decline?

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That’s maybe even good, same-sex marriage is not normal for most people, but anyway that has nothing to do with browser, even if CEO eats childs on breakfast.

What the hell is your problem? Reported.

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