Intercepted calls from the front lines in Ukraine show a growing number of Russian soldiers want out
In audio intercepts from the front lines in Ukraine, Russian soldiers speak in shorthand of 200s to mean dead, 300s to mean wounded. The urge to flee has become common enough that they also talk of 500s — people who refuse to fight.
As the war grinds into its second winter, a growing number of Russian soldiers want out, as suggested in secret recordings obtained by The Associated Press of Russian soldiers calling home from the battlefields of the Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk regions in Ukraine.
The calls offer a rare glimpse of the war as it looked through Russian eyes — a point of view that seldom makes its way into Western media, largely because Russia has made it a crime to speak honestly about the conflict in Ukraine. They also show clearly how the war has progressed, from the professional soldiers who initially powered Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion to men from all walks of life compelled to serve in grueling conditions.
“There’s no f------ ‘dying the death of the brave’ here,” one soldier told his brother from the front in Ukraine’s Kharkiv region. “You just die like a f------ earthworm.”
We need to be careful extrapolating this to general trends, because the ones doing the intercepting (likely the SBU/Ukrainian intelligence) decide what to release. This is not a random sample.
I have no reason to doubt the intercepts are real, but I do wonder about the content of all the other intercepts that are not released.
no you're right, i'm sure there are places where the Russian soldiers are having a great time and not dying like dogs
They must have a blast, otherwise, they would've done something about it, instead of just bitching. Everything points to the conclusion that they want to be there.
Yes, everyone wants to be somewhere other than prison or dead in a ditch
It's so amusing to see comments from accounts that seem entirely oblivious to its own username. 🤦🏼♂️🖕🏽🤣
Who would've thought that blaming the actual invaders for the invasion was such a controversial opinion.
The Prigozhins attempted mutiny clearly shows the guys are not afraid of drastic measures. Only they wren't protesting against the war, they were protesting the lack of ammo. For killing the ukrainians. Which is what they wanted to do.
The mutiny ended when they threatened the leader's family. Can you mention and consider that?
Didn't Prigozhin get accidented because of that?
The point is, his guys were happy to risk the start of civil war, just so the minister and the president hear their demands. They could've called for the end of the aggression, which would've indicated they don't really want to be there. Instead they've asked for more supplies, so they can kill more effectively. Which indicated, they're perfectly happy on the active battlefield, given the proper support. And we shouldn't forget their choices after the war.
Your cherry picking asinine attempts to prop up your shit argument are clumsy at best, and poorly translated propaganda typed one-handed in a frothy haze otherwise. Use your own words, tiger.
Now I'm genuinely confused. Which propaganda? All I'm saying is the guys with tanks and guns can't convince me they're pillaging and murdering by mistake. One does not accidentally massacre Bucha, or decimate Mariupol. They've made choices. They've chose wrong.
edit: And they're making the same bad choice over again, every morning.
It's a general enough trend that they needed to create a special code for the phenomenon.
I'm sure they had the code already, the fact that the US has "section 8" doesn't mean they're all going crazy.
I think they had a code for AWOL, but "refuse to fight" doesn't sound like something that should have been common and thought upfront. Although maybe it was, I got confused 😕
I imagine most of the calls are pretty similar to these ones. I can’t imagine there’s much morale left for the Russians.