Crazy this is like needing Whatsapp on steroids. Literally needing such a crap locked down tracking device just because the US doesnt have the balls to force apple to open up
Mate, I've never once been pressured to use an iPhone in the states. Not sure what any of that has to do with international travel where chat platforms are phone-agnostic. No one using whatsapp cares about my Pixel.
I've been lightly pressured in multiple circles to get an iPhone.
And I heavily pressure all my friends and family with iphones to switch to android, all the time. Doesn't mean any of them do it.
Most of my iPhone friends aren't smart enough to use an android.
Ugh, this stupid shit again.
iPhone users r dum ammirite guys?
elaborate.
What do you want to know?
I’ve been lightly pressured in multiple circles to get an iPhone.
It’s not international travel. I live with my wife in her country. International calling and texting is expensive.
So I can just get a use an iPhone with iMessage or convince my immediate and extended family and professional contacts to use a different chatting app.
It’s just easier to use an iPhone.
or convince my immediate and extended family and professional contacts to use a different chatting app.
I'm sure at least your family will happily just install Signal, WhatsApp or so in order to avoid excessive monetary cost to you. What kind of family wouldn't?
It very clearly does. If they can't get all their contacts on other chat apps because they're on iPhones then how could you possibly say it has nothing to do with iPhones?
What does a contact list have to do with a phone? Does the iPhone lock you out of even proper contact management?
No, contacts as in the people they want to contact.
What does that have to do with the phone they own? I still don't get it.
Only iPhones can use iMessage. iMessage uses a data connection rather than SMS or calling. OP lives in a different country and international SMS or calling would cost a lot of money, but a data connection does not. The only way of communicating with certain people without incurring extra charges is for OP to use iMessage over a data connection.
It does when it is one person trying to get a group of people trying to switch platforms.
But imessenger works over the internet. It's not an SMS service so the carrier has nothing to do with it. im in tons of groupchats with imessenger recipients. never had a problem except with apple purposefully downgrading all media. my phone has wifi calling so I can receive my sms messages anywhere I can get service.
Their point was they don't want to deal with the carrier so they want to message over data. However the people the wish to contact don't have chat apps so they use iMessage. Yes obviously they should just download another app but you can't force someone to do that.
That's a carrier feature. I can message anyone anywhere with anything I want. Has nothing to do with iPhone. I just group texted all my iphone friends from Firefox on my PC.
Alright, so let's say I have an iPhone and my friend also does if I'm away from cell service but have data and try to send them an SMS it will go through as an iMessage in the same app they use to text. So I can still message them in the same app they're using for SMS and iMessage with everyone else.
So there's already a built in messaging app pretty much. I think part of the confusion is group texts. I don't think they're actually talking about group chats but rather one on one with various people who already have iPhones. It's easier to just send them a message that way. Yes this isn't a good state of affairs.
Your first paragraph is not relevant to the phone but the service. That's the whole point I'm trying to make. It's called wi-fi calling and is a service feature not a phone feature. Apple makes it easier but I can still message anyone without a phone just fine.
The problem comes when it costs you money to send an SMS or make a voice call to the person with iMessage but data has no extra monetary cost, for example when you're in a different country.
It's entirely relevant if the people you want to contact don't have any other chat apps. The whole point is the inability to get others to do something slight less easy.
iMessage does not exist in Europe. I have never ever seen someone use it.
I hate that it’s used so heavily in the states. It’s the biggest reason that I’m still using an iPhone over Android.
I live internationally and it’s too difficult to convince my contacts to switch. Just not worth the trouble.
Why you let people decide for you what phone you use? I moved here and every single one of my friends have WhatsApp even though they use iPhone.
Crazy this is like needing Whatsapp on steroids. Literally needing such a crap locked down tracking device just because the US doesnt have the balls to force apple to open up
Mate, I've never once been pressured to use an iPhone in the states. Not sure what any of that has to do with international travel where chat platforms are phone-agnostic. No one using whatsapp cares about my Pixel.
I've been lightly pressured in multiple circles to get an iPhone.
And I heavily pressure all my friends and family with iphones to switch to android, all the time. Doesn't mean any of them do it.
Most of my iPhone friends aren't smart enough to use an android.
Ugh, this stupid shit again.
iPhone users r dum ammirite guys?
elaborate.
What do you want to know?
It’s not international travel. I live with my wife in her country. International calling and texting is expensive.
So I can just get a use an iPhone with iMessage or convince my immediate and extended family and professional contacts to use a different chatting app.
It’s just easier to use an iPhone.
I'm sure at least your family will happily just install Signal, WhatsApp or so in order to avoid excessive monetary cost to you. What kind of family wouldn't?
It’s more about professional contacts.
Use email
What you said has nothing to do with an iphone.
Ok
It very clearly does. If they can't get all their contacts on other chat apps because they're on iPhones then how could you possibly say it has nothing to do with iPhones?
What does a contact list have to do with a phone? Does the iPhone lock you out of even proper contact management?
No, contacts as in the people they want to contact.
What does that have to do with the phone they own? I still don't get it.
Only iPhones can use iMessage. iMessage uses a data connection rather than SMS or calling. OP lives in a different country and international SMS or calling would cost a lot of money, but a data connection does not. The only way of communicating with certain people without incurring extra charges is for OP to use iMessage over a data connection.
It does when it is one person trying to get a group of people trying to switch platforms.
But imessenger works over the internet. It's not an SMS service so the carrier has nothing to do with it. im in tons of groupchats with imessenger recipients. never had a problem except with apple purposefully downgrading all media. my phone has wifi calling so I can receive my sms messages anywhere I can get service.
Their point was they don't want to deal with the carrier so they want to message over data. However the people the wish to contact don't have chat apps so they use iMessage. Yes obviously they should just download another app but you can't force someone to do that.
That's a carrier feature. I can message anyone anywhere with anything I want. Has nothing to do with iPhone. I just group texted all my iphone friends from Firefox on my PC.
Alright, so let's say I have an iPhone and my friend also does if I'm away from cell service but have data and try to send them an SMS it will go through as an iMessage in the same app they use to text. So I can still message them in the same app they're using for SMS and iMessage with everyone else.
So there's already a built in messaging app pretty much. I think part of the confusion is group texts. I don't think they're actually talking about group chats but rather one on one with various people who already have iPhones. It's easier to just send them a message that way. Yes this isn't a good state of affairs.
Your first paragraph is not relevant to the phone but the service. That's the whole point I'm trying to make. It's called wi-fi calling and is a service feature not a phone feature. Apple makes it easier but I can still message anyone without a phone just fine.
The problem comes when it costs you money to send an SMS or make a voice call to the person with iMessage but data has no extra monetary cost, for example when you're in a different country.
It's entirely relevant if the people you want to contact don't have any other chat apps. The whole point is the inability to get others to do something slight less easy.
I use Google Voice to text people
It's definitely prevelant in the UK. Although not as much as in the USA by far.