Firefox had tab grouping first.Before Chrome. And then it broke support for it when they did the add-ons overhaul. I'm surprised bringing it back wasn't a high priority...
Achutucally Opera had it first, back before it ditched Presto.
I remember those days. I was so sad when it went away.
IIRC the old tab groups feature was eventually removed because telemetry showed that only very few people used it...
That's because us power users know to turn the telemetry off and also have it blocked on our network.
Right, but then you shouldn't be shocked to find out that a feature was removed because nobody seemed to be using it.
No, I expect Mozilla to know their market and use other means (like focus groups or surveys or something) to figure out which features are actually popular, instead of lazily using a bad metric.
Mozilla knows their market. Because of said telemetry.
How do you think that works? For any other app?
Hint:
(like focus groups or surveys or something)
Not like this. Because they have both shown to be absolutely terrible for this general market preference research.
Did you miss the part of the conversation where folks were pointing out that lots of users turn the telemetry off?
Your reply is as tone-deaf and non-responsive as sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "nuh uh!" like a toddler.
If you want to be persuasive you've got to prove that the telemetry is somehow useful in spite of many users turning it off, and you've done absolutely fuck-all to argue that.
You are committing the same mistake as you accuse me of:
many users turning it off
[citation needed] [how many?]
For all you know, maybe the 15 very vocal users in here are the only ones who turn it off. Or do we know that many users do it? How many? 5%? 50%? 95%?
Many programs differente between "personalized ad" telemetry and "help us improve our program" telemetry. I generally leave the second on.
That's why Mozilla has to use other means to find out!
Watching people use Chrome, fucking nobody uses it there either, except for work situations where on FF, you're supposed to be using Multi-Account containers anyways.
It didn’t help that they hid the button in the customize menu and made the feature not discoverable.
Firefox had tab grouping first. Before Chrome. And then it broke support for it when they did the add-ons overhaul. I'm surprised bringing it back wasn't a high priority...
Achutucally Opera had it first, back before it ditched Presto.
I remember those days. I was so sad when it went away.
IIRC the old tab groups feature was eventually removed because telemetry showed that only very few people used it...
That's because us power users know to turn the telemetry off and also have it blocked on our network.
Right, but then you shouldn't be shocked to find out that a feature was removed because nobody seemed to be using it.
No, I expect Mozilla to know their market and use other means (like focus groups or surveys or something) to figure out which features are actually popular, instead of lazily using a bad metric.
Mozilla knows their market. Because of said telemetry.
How do you think that works? For any other app?
Hint:
Not like this. Because they have both shown to be absolutely terrible for this general market preference research.
Did you miss the part of the conversation where folks were pointing out that lots of users turn the telemetry off?
Your reply is as tone-deaf and non-responsive as sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "nuh uh!" like a toddler.
If you want to be persuasive you've got to prove that the telemetry is somehow useful in spite of many users turning it off, and you've done absolutely fuck-all to argue that.
You are committing the same mistake as you accuse me of:
[citation needed] [how many?]
For all you know, maybe the 15 very vocal users in here are the only ones who turn it off. Or do we know that many users do it? How many? 5%? 50%? 95%?
Many programs differente between "personalized ad" telemetry and "help us improve our program" telemetry. I generally leave the second on.
That's why Mozilla has to use other means to find out!
Thanks for proving my point for me.
Watching people use Chrome, fucking nobody uses it there either, except for work situations where on FF, you're supposed to be using Multi-Account containers anyways.
It didn’t help that they hid the button in the customize menu and made the feature not discoverable.
I used Panorama a lot. Was sad when it went away