You are right, but we're kind of past the point where saying so is useful. But if Biden resigns and hands the reigns to Kamala, no way in hell should anyone accept another sham primary because she is an encombant. I'm so sick of these supposedly pro-democracy Democrats and their entire bullshit primary system.
Just fyi, it’s “incumbent”
Thanks
but we’re kind of past the point where saying so is useful
Bruh, the general hasn't even started....
It's not too late to run someone that can beat trump.
Name one person that can beat Trump, and provide evidence to show it’s possible.
Biden, for whatever reason, is an extremely unlikable president. Undeniably so. These two candidates might literally be the only two candidates that could lose to the other. Sad state of affairs.
Personally I think Bernie would still easily steam roll trump and is far more popular than Biden. Only way he would run tho is if Biden stepped down which he won't.. but that's sorta the problem
Bernie isn’t going to run, regardless of Biden stepping down. So he doesn’t count. Name someone currently in the running- that can beat Trump.
I don't think you can say what Bernie would do if Biden stepped down, he has stated that he will not run precisely because Biden is running again and he doesn't want to make any voters think he was an option, the incumbent is just automatically going to win the primary. He doesn't want to sour any voters that really wanted him to win the primary when there is no chance he will win going up against an incumbent. If Biden stepped down and it was an open DNC primary then I think Bernie would almost certainly run again.
You are being weirdly stubborn in considering actual possibilities. I get that we are likely stuck with Biden but that's because Biden is going to run again, not because there are no other options. Biden is not a good choice though and he should honestly step down, there are way better choices. Newsom would also be better than Biden and you could be sure if there was a primary with no incumbent in it he would be in there.
I think I can say safely- and honestly say that he’s not an option.
Who has a chance to beat Trump THAT IS RUNNING.
You are like a broken record. No democrat is going to run against incumbent it would be pointless, there is no chance they will win a dnc primary with Biden in the race. The incumbent always wins the primary and everyone knows that except apparently you, but that doesn't make Biden the best choice, far from it. Especially with the dnc canceling primaries where progressives might actually win like NH. The Marianne williamson run was just a protest run, she didn't think she would win.
The problem is Biden is running again despite him saying in 2020 that he would be a 1 term president.
I asked a simple question. You’re dancing around the answer by suggesting impossibilities.
It was suggested to run someone that is better than Biden, I asked who could run that could beat Trump.
I’m a broken record because you’re dodging the question and refuse to admin that there isn’t anyone that could right now.
There are people who could right now if Biden steps down which he should, he's a genocide enabler. Sorry you refuse to admin that
Biden isn’t stepping down. This is established. So you’re refusing to answer the question.
We’re done here.
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He's a proven leader, appeals to many on all sides of the political spectrum, and the supreme court has ruled they can't keep someone off the ballot, and neither can states, so if the Senate Democrats don't stop it then there's nothing that can be done about it.
If the leader of an insurrection can be on the ballot, a foreign born American citizen can.
Hes not running. Also, he’s ineligible- try again.
Yeah, that's kinda my point. He's ineligible, but so is trump. The Supreme Court said that only Congress can keep someone from running, and the current Congress won't do it for trump, and may not do it for someone running as a Democrat, if they could beat trump.
He's not running because he didn't think he could, but the general hasn't started, so he has time.
I asked you to provide a name of someone that can beat Trump in November. Not hypotheticals.
If you have a working strategy to get there, I'm all ears. Despite Biden's lack of popularity, the vast majority of Democratic voters seem to be in the "don't challenge an encombant" camp.
the vast majority of Democratic voters seem to be in the “don’t challenge an encombant” camp.
Why would you think that?
The DNC canceled NH's primary because it's been going progressive. And less than a third of voters would be happy if Biden was president.
Voters didn't get a say, lots of states haven't even held.primaries yet
Still not seeing a plan. My state hasn't voted yet, and I won't be voting for Biden, but I still know he is the nominee. It's not even really possible for him to lose at this point, and everyone else has dropped out. The party could replace him, but I don't see that happening without some kind of major medical episode.
Still not seeing a plan.
No, you just keep ignoring it, I said it a long time ago...
A random empty suit off the street would easily beat trump
We run someone else in the general.
It cost a literal billion dollars for Biden to win his first presidential election. And that was by like 30k votes in a few states. He's less popular now, especially in those states due to his actions in Israel.
Do you legitimately think a random American couldn't be trump with a billion dollars?
Because it's not going to be cheaper for Biden this time.
I wasn't as clear as I thought. Since you and I don't get to choose the nominee, what's the plan to get Biden replaced on the ballot?
The DNC can list whoever they want there, regardless of what happens in any primary
The last three elections they've picked geriatric unpopular candidates and refuse to listen to voter feedback.
Sooner or later you need to realize:
"vote blue no matter who" is fucking you
The DNC needs voters more than voters need the DNC.
Hell, look at what Biden did in NH. He pulled out of the primary because the DNC yanked the delegates, then Biden spent a bunch on a write in campaign and bragged he "won".
But I'm blocking right after I send this. You're just repeating the same shit over and over again, it's like talking to a brikwall.
The DNC can list whoever they want there
Well, yes, but they want Biden there.
The last three elections they've picked geriatric unpopular candidates and refuse to listen to voter feedback.
Those candidates were picked by voters, so this isn't exactly true. They just lead voters by the nose through establishment bias in mainstream media.
The one place where I think this is true is with Kamala Harris. She solidly lost the 2020 primary, yet there is a chance that she will be the one to finish a Biden second term, and they will try to skip her next primary because they will call her an incumbent. That is the eventuality that we should be preparing to fight right now. The battle to replace Biden for 2024 was a worthy one, but we lost.
"vote blue no matter who" is fucking you
Did I say that? The second we have a red candidate that's better than a blue one, I'm voting red. Third party strategies will fuck me worse.
The DNC needs voters more than voters need the DNC.
Meaningless drivel with no practical strategic relevance. It would be awesome if we could form an ideal party and get most Democratic voters to switch, but that's a childish fantasy.
then Biden spent a bunch on a write in campaign and bragged he "won".
Getting the most votes as a write in is pretty impressive honestly. The real scandal is that the DNC put a swing state in jeopardy to favor a deeply red state just to create a harder path for progressives. Hang them with that.
But I'm blocking right after I send this.
Whatever.
So, I'm gonna ask this again, and I'm sure I'm gonna get another non-answer, but I always have to ask anyway...
Why are you guys so scared of Kamala?
I can totally understand why you get non-answers to that non-question. I never said I was scared of Kamala. However, she came in close to dead last in the primary, and could very well end up being a Democratic presidential nominee after having been roundly rejected. I object to having the choice of US President whittled down to right-wing Satan and a tool of the oligarchs before we ever get to vote.
From the beginning of the 2020 primary, Kamala was clearly the establishment's first choice, with all the establishment friendly publications putting out glowing praise daily. Biden was the backup who went from almost last (excepting Harris) to first place overnight when every single establishment friendly candidate suddenly dropped out and endorsed Biden. It was a brilliant strategy by establishment, but was more of a manipulation than a democratic victory.
Elizabeth Warren staying in even long after she had no chance was also extremely sus. She suddenly dove under the radar, but kept her hat in the ring to split the progressive vote until Bernie was done. There is no rational explanation except that she was motivated to sink Bernie by some carrot or stick from the establishment.
So no, after that circus of a primary, I'm not willing to hand over potentially four Presidential terms to the establishment.
Kamala is also a terrible candidate with an abysmal track record and zero charisma. Every word she says sounds like it came from a focus group and was delivered by a robot. Even as a token black woman, she is deeply unpopular with blacks, especially those in the civil rights movement. (I support promoting minorities in government, but If they don't represent their groups with policy in addition to appearance then they are just a token.)
You are right, but we're kind of past the point where saying so is useful. But if Biden resigns and hands the reigns to Kamala, no way in hell should anyone accept another sham primary because she is an encombant. I'm so sick of these supposedly pro-democracy Democrats and their entire bullshit primary system.
Just fyi, it’s “incumbent”
Thanks
Bruh, the general hasn't even started....
It's not too late to run someone that can beat trump.
Name one person that can beat Trump, and provide evidence to show it’s possible.
Biden, for whatever reason, is an extremely unlikable president. Undeniably so. These two candidates might literally be the only two candidates that could lose to the other. Sad state of affairs.
Personally I think Bernie would still easily steam roll trump and is far more popular than Biden. Only way he would run tho is if Biden stepped down which he won't.. but that's sorta the problem
Bernie isn’t going to run, regardless of Biden stepping down. So he doesn’t count. Name someone currently in the running- that can beat Trump.
I don't think you can say what Bernie would do if Biden stepped down, he has stated that he will not run precisely because Biden is running again and he doesn't want to make any voters think he was an option, the incumbent is just automatically going to win the primary. He doesn't want to sour any voters that really wanted him to win the primary when there is no chance he will win going up against an incumbent. If Biden stepped down and it was an open DNC primary then I think Bernie would almost certainly run again.
You are being weirdly stubborn in considering actual possibilities. I get that we are likely stuck with Biden but that's because Biden is going to run again, not because there are no other options. Biden is not a good choice though and he should honestly step down, there are way better choices. Newsom would also be better than Biden and you could be sure if there was a primary with no incumbent in it he would be in there.
I think I can say safely- and honestly say that he’s not an option.
Who has a chance to beat Trump THAT IS RUNNING.
You are like a broken record. No democrat is going to run against incumbent it would be pointless, there is no chance they will win a dnc primary with Biden in the race. The incumbent always wins the primary and everyone knows that except apparently you, but that doesn't make Biden the best choice, far from it. Especially with the dnc canceling primaries where progressives might actually win like NH. The Marianne williamson run was just a protest run, she didn't think she would win.
The problem is Biden is running again despite him saying in 2020 that he would be a 1 term president.
I asked a simple question. You’re dancing around the answer by suggesting impossibilities.
It was suggested to run someone that is better than Biden, I asked who could run that could beat Trump.
I’m a broken record because you’re dodging the question and refuse to admin that there isn’t anyone that could right now.
There are people who could right now if Biden steps down which he should, he's a genocide enabler. Sorry you refuse to admin that
Biden isn’t stepping down. This is established. So you’re refusing to answer the question.
We’re done here.
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He's a proven leader, appeals to many on all sides of the political spectrum, and the supreme court has ruled they can't keep someone off the ballot, and neither can states, so if the Senate Democrats don't stop it then there's nothing that can be done about it.
If the leader of an insurrection can be on the ballot, a foreign born American citizen can.
Hes not running. Also, he’s ineligible- try again.
Yeah, that's kinda my point. He's ineligible, but so is trump. The Supreme Court said that only Congress can keep someone from running, and the current Congress won't do it for trump, and may not do it for someone running as a Democrat, if they could beat trump.
He's not running because he didn't think he could, but the general hasn't started, so he has time.
I asked you to provide a name of someone that can beat Trump in November. Not hypotheticals.
Provide the name.
If you have a working strategy to get there, I'm all ears. Despite Biden's lack of popularity, the vast majority of Democratic voters seem to be in the "don't challenge an encombant" camp.
Why would you think that?
The DNC canceled NH's primary because it's been going progressive. And less than a third of voters would be happy if Biden was president.
Voters didn't get a say, lots of states haven't even held.primaries yet
Still not seeing a plan. My state hasn't voted yet, and I won't be voting for Biden, but I still know he is the nominee. It's not even really possible for him to lose at this point, and everyone else has dropped out. The party could replace him, but I don't see that happening without some kind of major medical episode.
No, you just keep ignoring it, I said it a long time ago...
We run someone else in the general.
It cost a literal billion dollars for Biden to win his first presidential election. And that was by like 30k votes in a few states. He's less popular now, especially in those states due to his actions in Israel.
Do you legitimately think a random American couldn't be trump with a billion dollars?
Because it's not going to be cheaper for Biden this time.
I wasn't as clear as I thought. Since you and I don't get to choose the nominee, what's the plan to get Biden replaced on the ballot?
The DNC can list whoever they want there, regardless of what happens in any primary
The last three elections they've picked geriatric unpopular candidates and refuse to listen to voter feedback.
Sooner or later you need to realize:
"vote blue no matter who" is fucking you
The DNC needs voters more than voters need the DNC.
Hell, look at what Biden did in NH. He pulled out of the primary because the DNC yanked the delegates, then Biden spent a bunch on a write in campaign and bragged he "won".
But I'm blocking right after I send this. You're just repeating the same shit over and over again, it's like talking to a brikwall.
Well, yes, but they want Biden there.
Those candidates were picked by voters, so this isn't exactly true. They just lead voters by the nose through establishment bias in mainstream media.
The one place where I think this is true is with Kamala Harris. She solidly lost the 2020 primary, yet there is a chance that she will be the one to finish a Biden second term, and they will try to skip her next primary because they will call her an incumbent. That is the eventuality that we should be preparing to fight right now. The battle to replace Biden for 2024 was a worthy one, but we lost.
Did I say that? The second we have a red candidate that's better than a blue one, I'm voting red. Third party strategies will fuck me worse.
Meaningless drivel with no practical strategic relevance. It would be awesome if we could form an ideal party and get most Democratic voters to switch, but that's a childish fantasy.
Getting the most votes as a write in is pretty impressive honestly. The real scandal is that the DNC put a swing state in jeopardy to favor a deeply red state just to create a harder path for progressives. Hang them with that.
Whatever.
So, I'm gonna ask this again, and I'm sure I'm gonna get another non-answer, but I always have to ask anyway...
Why are you guys so scared of Kamala?
I can totally understand why you get non-answers to that non-question. I never said I was scared of Kamala. However, she came in close to dead last in the primary, and could very well end up being a Democratic presidential nominee after having been roundly rejected. I object to having the choice of US President whittled down to right-wing Satan and a tool of the oligarchs before we ever get to vote.
From the beginning of the 2020 primary, Kamala was clearly the establishment's first choice, with all the establishment friendly publications putting out glowing praise daily. Biden was the backup who went from almost last (excepting Harris) to first place overnight when every single establishment friendly candidate suddenly dropped out and endorsed Biden. It was a brilliant strategy by establishment, but was more of a manipulation than a democratic victory.
Elizabeth Warren staying in even long after she had no chance was also extremely sus. She suddenly dove under the radar, but kept her hat in the ring to split the progressive vote until Bernie was done. There is no rational explanation except that she was motivated to sink Bernie by some carrot or stick from the establishment.
So no, after that circus of a primary, I'm not willing to hand over potentially four Presidential terms to the establishment.
Kamala is also a terrible candidate with an abysmal track record and zero charisma. Every word she says sounds like it came from a focus group and was delivered by a robot. Even as a token black woman, she is deeply unpopular with blacks, especially those in the civil rights movement. (I support promoting minorities in government, but If they don't represent their groups with policy in addition to appearance then they are just a token.)