Can’t Biden just kill him? He has Presidential immunity. The Supreme Court doesn’t give a fig and Biden can do whatever he wants since they take 4+ years to eventually kick the can and further delay their decisions. By that time, Biden may well be 106 years old.
Also, Trump has stated the Vice President has the power to certify the election results or not. So now Kamala can just usher Biden into a second term, “if she has the courage”.
Like Mike Pompeo said, “There will be a very smooth transition to a second Biden Presidency…”
My fuck, if only the Democrats had the balls to use the Republican's own tactics against them
"Oh so since a president is, according to you, immune to all laws even after no longer being president, then Biden can just order a hit on Trump and all of you? Because as long as Trump isn't arrested and left unable to run, that seems to be what you are saying. You have til the end of May :)"
That's a big mistake. Dekocrats don't lack balls to do what the republicans do, the just have a little bit of morals that the republicans completely lack.
That plus stopping the genocide would get my vote.
Why bother giving the ultimatum if you wouldn't benefit by them responding though?
Which genocide? Rohingya? South Sudan? Ethiopia? Uyghurs in China? There is a lot of shit going down around the world.
Dude’s a concern troll. Don’t feed him.
I detest what’s happening to the Palestinians too, and what’s been happening to them for ages. But pretending that it’s the only thing going on in the world right now that needs to be addressed urgently honestly just belies an enormous lack of awareness of current global events.
And pretending that it needs to be a litmus test issue for whether people should vote for Biden is frankly idiotic, because I would bet my aggregate professional salary that Trump would have enthusiastically sortied several squadrons of B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza all Vietnam War style, and if you think that’s an improvement, you need your head examined.
Troll is probably a .ml GRUbot doing pootin's bidding
The one Biden is can stop at any moment by not giving them the equipment they're using to carry it out.
Also the Uighur claim is laughable. Xinjiang doesn't even have travel restrictions, journalists can just go there.
Yes yes, let's not vote Biden, Trump would be a much better option to stop all of those genocides.
~ Says fucking no one...
Trump is friends with all of the dictators. If you want to actually make a fucking difference then protest and write to your local politicians to put pressure on Washington. You trying to push this pathetic "don't vote for genocide" bullshit is going to do nothing but it worse. Moral superiority doesn't mean shit if you fucking burn everything down because you can't make a big boy decision. An American Dictatorship will do nothing but make the world a darker place, and it seems you and the rest of the rest of these "don't vote Biden" chucklefucks are doing your damnedest to bring thst about....which in turn only makes me think that you aren't American.
~ Says fucking no one…
Says Russian agents.
If you want to actually make a fucking difference then protest
I've been doing that.
Why are you wasting your time trying to shame powerless voters for not pledging to vote for Biden unconditionally instead of trying to get the people with power to see that if they don't stop the genocide, they will lose reelection?
And what happens if they lose the reelection? What do you think happens? Wonderful, you get to pat yourself on the back for being so morally righteous that you helped usher in Project 2025 and the end of American Democracy. You get to tell everyone that maybe if they just listened to you then this would have never happened. Sound like success, don't it? I can't imagine how terrifying a Dictator controlling the world's strongest military would be, especially if they push through Christian Rule, like they've always wanted to do.
Instead of trying to get your Senators and Representatives to put pressure on Washington, you'd rather just threaten to destroy the whole system if you don't get your way. I "waste my time" so that other people might see how asinine this whole temper tantrum people like you are throwing. I fucking hate that the Gazan people are being murdered, raped, tortured, bombed, starved, and humiliated by the hands of the IDF, but I'm not going to burn my house down to protest it. There's other ways to try and get Washington to help stop this, and destroying our way of life is not it.
There’s other ways to try and get Washington to help stop this
Unless you're talking about direct action to stop arms manufacture/transport or do economic damage to israel, there's literally not, that's how representative democracy works, if you cannot make a credibly tell a politician they won't get elected unless they do what you're telling them, you are not represented.
That's literally the only pressure we have on politicians.
This is true. Sadly, our system of representation is limited to two viable parties, one that's Not Great, and one that's Demonstrably Evil. If you send the message that you dont support the Not Great party by not re-electing them, the only thing that benefits is the Demonstrably Evil party.
Both parties have proven historically that they dont care about people who won't vote for them by simply not engaging with groups they consider a lost cause. This frees up their time and money so they can gin up the groups that do (or might) support them.
The ONLY way to make sure you have the representatives you need is to start now and hope future generations will benefit. Establish a viable independent party starting in local elections - school boards, city councils. These people make decisions about local education and infrastructure that will directly benefit people in your community and prove that this new party truly has their backs. From there, this party and their reps will move higher up into state and federal governments with recognition and an established voting record.
True representation takes a lot of time and effort, and if we start now, maybe our grandchildren will have a better life. It's a long game, like it or not.
if you cannot make a credibly tell a politician
I thought Beijing had better English schools for its agents.
I edited "make a credible threat" to "tell" and fucked it up.
Instead of threatening to kill Trump, should the SCOTUS rule in favor of immunity, Biden should threaten to kill SCOTUS. Then they’ll sit up and pay attention.
He'd be able to jail governors until they agree to amend the constitution to make the president subject to laws henceforth.
What a fucking joke.
Throw trump in Guantánamo. If anyone in Congress says anything against it or tries to impeach, send them as well. When the SC even decides to hear a case against Biden, throw them in Guantánamo as well. And then, hopefully bring back some sane laws. SC has already decided they don't really care what The Constitution says.
Like Mike Pompeo said, “There will be a very smooth transition to a second Biden Presidency…”
Honestly, if the Tribunal of Six decides that Trump has total, unequivocal, blanket immunity at any point before Jan 6, 2025, Biden should just sic Seal Team Six on him. It would be 100% legal.
They won't, because that's insane. What they've done is make sure to the Supreme Court case will keep other federal trials on hold, and thus Trump won't have a guilty verdict before election day. Trump can keep running and perhaps win, and at the same time the obvious and sane answer to the case will still come down.
That's why they're delaying all his cases. If they rule in favor of Trump, Biden will have the same immunity. If they rule against Trump, he probably loses the election. The only way for the fascists to win is to delay until past the election, preferably past the point when Trump is sworn in. And then on his 2nd day in office release their ruling that the President has complete and total power to do whatever he wants whenever he wants. All hail King Trump.
I really hope it doesn’t turn out that way, and at this point I think it probably won’t get to that point. But if it does, I genuinely don’t think there’s a way out of the situation without a civil war, and I say that because I am fully aware of how much of a psychotic toddler Trump is.
He used the government as a punitive instrument pretty much the entire time he was in office. Anything genuinely good and humane that occurred was done by accident. I will not be surprised if he tries to nationalize the state ANGs in blue states and straight up depose the state governments, and THAT would absolutely trigger serious, violent, and organized backlash.
I will not be surprised if he tries to nationalize the state ANGs in blue states and straight up depose the state governments
Agree.
and THAT would absolutely trigger serious, violent, and organized backlash
Disagree. Democrats are toothless. I bed Biden's "robust" response to another attempted coup will be a strongly-worded letter. He shouldn't be talking with lawyers, he should be talking with generals.
Immunity doesn't make something legal, it just protects you from prosecution unless it's revoked
The “immunity” that Trump wants the USSC to give him is effectively intrinsic, monarch-caliber “I am the law” immunity - effectively, he is working to get the court to declare that he is somehow just above the law in a categorical sense. We are not talking about immunity in the context of its understood and agreed upon legal definition in the United States.
Oh lol, I mean I think his legal team is just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks
Sadly people will point to this and see it as proof that "Biden's rigging it for himself!" and people will sadly believe it
They will do that regardless.
People said we couldn't vote for Sanders because Floridians wouldn't vote for a socialist. Biden lost Florida by a wide margin, because Trump painted him as a socialist.
Yeah. That's why Biden lost Florida.
If you check exit polling, that was a significant factor.
Except - Trump owns the courts thanks to Bitch McConnell and his justice stealing, and the Republicans don’t give a shit about the rule of law anyway.
What are a bunch of lawyers going to do in the face of a crowd of well armed republicans determined to fight to put Trump in the presidency? Jan 6 was a shitshow and they were lucky it was disorganized.
Regardless what happens trump is going to claim the election was rigged anyway.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Numerous Democratic lawmakers, operatives, Biden campaign advisers, and administration officials tell Rolling Stone that if the president does ultimately beat Trump this November, the election will be exceedingly close.
Top officials in both the Trump and Biden camps are expecting an uncomfortably tight election outcome in November, sources in both campaigns have told Rolling Stone on numerous occasions over the past year.
Sources in and around the president’s legal and political operations say the Biden campaign’s current wargaming is informed by questions aides asked themselves in the wake of the 2020 election: What if there’s a rematch in four years with Donald Trump?
Still, Team Biden has been planning for years sketching out what Trump could do as the leader of the GOP, and has partnered with the Democratic National Committee and a vast network of liberal attorneys and legal groups to conduct similar doomsday-style wargaming.
Bidenworld’s closely-held list of nightmare scenarios — in which Democratic legal teams would have to battle it out tooth and nail with Republican counterparts before, during, or after Election Day 2024 — has grown “comically long,” says one source with direct knowledge of the matter.
Biden campaign officials and other Democrats familiar with the topic tell Rolling Stone that a key concern, for which step-by-step gameplanning has already begun, is how to robustly respond if Trump and other leading Republicans try to engineer another Jan. 6-style power grab.
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Oh, I was hoping they were going to literally trap him inside a giant obelisk. Shame.
Tartarus?
Phantom Zone
When Republicans want to make sure the elections are fair: "You're all just losers and conspiracy theorists!"
When Democrats want to make sure the elections are fair" "They're just being careful."
Unironically yes. Democrats are no saints, but republicans are just straight up evil, and actively attempting to dismantle what little democracy we have.
Can you please explain your comment further? What do you mean by "fair". Can you provide examples of how the GOP was trying to make elections "fair", and contrast with what the democrats are attempting to do?
No, they can't.
We could have just ran a popular candidate that helped people for four years instead of spending that time what to do about the unpopular candidate not being able to decisively beat the worst president in the history of America.
A random empty suit off the street would easily beat trump.
Probably would be handling genocides better too
Give it a rest.
Who is "we"?
What is a "popular candidate"?
There were actually elections, you know.
Biden isn't exactly my cup of tea but he's more or less reasonable on the national field. And people should understand when you elect a president (despite what Trump would tell you), you are actually electing an administration, a structure of workforce based on certain values. As long as something crazy doesn't happen that puts the speaker up there, for the most part it's those ideas that are winning the elections.
And people should understand when you elect a president (despite what Trump would tell you), you are actually electing an administration, a structure of workforce based on certain values.
A-fuckin-goddamn-men.
This is what I always had a problem with as far as Trump is concerned. Trump only cares about Trump and he also believes he knows everything. He hires "yes men" not people who will inform him, not that he's the type to accept information from others (unless it's a lie meant to disparage his opponents.) That's way more dangerous to us than his stupid Twitter usage and drawing on weather maps.
It's also why, although I don't love Biden, I'm ok with him. I know he's only responsible for putting the rubber stamp on ideas his administration is coming up with. He may issue initial goals, but the administration has the expertise and does the work and they don't exactly seem like a bunch of ghouls in this administration.
The primary is performative, the DNC has been openly admitting they're not interested in fair primaries go like a decade now, even openly saying if they don't get the results they want, they'll ignore results.
You might not have realized it yet, but you personally don't need to understand something for it to be true
You might not have realized it yet, but you personally don't need to understand something for it to be true
Literally one of the shittiest ways to talk to a person and ensure they won't take you seriously.
this is the shitty world we live in for 2024. Unless one of these geezers dies this is what its going to look like.
And no, a random empty suit off the street would not easily beat trump; when the corporate media aparatus is pointed at you things will always be like this because they want the worst guy to win, always.
The amount of downvotes you’re getting for the most common sense solution is really sad.
I have a feeling all those crazy 2016 Clinton supporters were IP banned from most major social media sites.
So now they're on Lemmy.
Theyre just as bad as trump voters. They don't care about issues or what a candidate achieves if they win. They just want their "team" to win an election.
That's their end goal, so if anyone ever says a negative thing about their teams candidate, they take it personal and say the worst thing you can ever do is admit any flaws.
It's blind loyalty to a person. And that shit is fucking dangerous.
I just can't support that shit. I paid attention in history class. If the only two political options are that far gone, there's been other political parties in America before, and there can be again.
You are right, but we're kind of past the point where saying so is useful. But if Biden resigns and hands the reigns to Kamala, no way in hell should anyone accept another sham primary because she is an encombant. I'm so sick of these supposedly pro-democracy Democrats and their entire bullshit primary system.
Just fyi, it’s “incumbent”
Thanks
but we’re kind of past the point where saying so is useful
Bruh, the general hasn't even started....
It's not too late to run someone that can beat trump.
Name one person that can beat Trump, and provide evidence to show it’s possible.
Biden, for whatever reason, is an extremely unlikable president. Undeniably so. These two candidates might literally be the only two candidates that could lose to the other. Sad state of affairs.
Personally I think Bernie would still easily steam roll trump and is far more popular than Biden. Only way he would run tho is if Biden stepped down which he won't.. but that's sorta the problem
Bernie isn’t going to run, regardless of Biden stepping down. So he doesn’t count. Name someone currently in the running- that can beat Trump.
I don't think you can say what Bernie would do if Biden stepped down, he has stated that he will not run precisely because Biden is running again and he doesn't want to make any voters think he was an option, the incumbent is just automatically going to win the primary. He doesn't want to sour any voters that really wanted him to win the primary when there is no chance he will win going up against an incumbent. If Biden stepped down and it was an open DNC primary then I think Bernie would almost certainly run again.
You are being weirdly stubborn in considering actual possibilities. I get that we are likely stuck with Biden but that's because Biden is going to run again, not because there are no other options. Biden is not a good choice though and he should honestly step down, there are way better choices. Newsom would also be better than Biden and you could be sure if there was a primary with no incumbent in it he would be in there.
I think I can say safely- and honestly say that he’s not an option.
Who has a chance to beat Trump THAT IS RUNNING.
You are like a broken record. No democrat is going to run against incumbent it would be pointless, there is no chance they will win a dnc primary with Biden in the race. The incumbent always wins the primary and everyone knows that except apparently you, but that doesn't make Biden the best choice, far from it. Especially with the dnc canceling primaries where progressives might actually win like NH. The Marianne williamson run was just a protest run, she didn't think she would win.
The problem is Biden is running again despite him saying in 2020 that he would be a 1 term president.
I asked a simple question. You’re dancing around the answer by suggesting impossibilities.
It was suggested to run someone that is better than Biden, I asked who could run that could beat Trump.
I’m a broken record because you’re dodging the question and refuse to admin that there isn’t anyone that could right now.
There are people who could right now if Biden steps down which he should, he's a genocide enabler. Sorry you refuse to admin that
Biden isn’t stepping down. This is established. So you’re refusing to answer the question.
We’re done here.
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He's a proven leader, appeals to many on all sides of the political spectrum, and the supreme court has ruled they can't keep someone off the ballot, and neither can states, so if the Senate Democrats don't stop it then there's nothing that can be done about it.
If the leader of an insurrection can be on the ballot, a foreign born American citizen can.
Hes not running. Also, he’s ineligible- try again.
Yeah, that's kinda my point. He's ineligible, but so is trump. The Supreme Court said that only Congress can keep someone from running, and the current Congress won't do it for trump, and may not do it for someone running as a Democrat, if they could beat trump.
He's not running because he didn't think he could, but the general hasn't started, so he has time.
I asked you to provide a name of someone that can beat Trump in November. Not hypotheticals.
If you have a working strategy to get there, I'm all ears. Despite Biden's lack of popularity, the vast majority of Democratic voters seem to be in the "don't challenge an encombant" camp.
the vast majority of Democratic voters seem to be in the “don’t challenge an encombant” camp.
Why would you think that?
The DNC canceled NH's primary because it's been going progressive. And less than a third of voters would be happy if Biden was president.
Voters didn't get a say, lots of states haven't even held.primaries yet
Still not seeing a plan. My state hasn't voted yet, and I won't be voting for Biden, but I still know he is the nominee. It's not even really possible for him to lose at this point, and everyone else has dropped out. The party could replace him, but I don't see that happening without some kind of major medical episode.
Still not seeing a plan.
No, you just keep ignoring it, I said it a long time ago...
A random empty suit off the street would easily beat trump
We run someone else in the general.
It cost a literal billion dollars for Biden to win his first presidential election. And that was by like 30k votes in a few states. He's less popular now, especially in those states due to his actions in Israel.
Do you legitimately think a random American couldn't be trump with a billion dollars?
Because it's not going to be cheaper for Biden this time.
I wasn't as clear as I thought. Since you and I don't get to choose the nominee, what's the plan to get Biden replaced on the ballot?
The DNC can list whoever they want there, regardless of what happens in any primary
The last three elections they've picked geriatric unpopular candidates and refuse to listen to voter feedback.
Sooner or later you need to realize:
"vote blue no matter who" is fucking you
The DNC needs voters more than voters need the DNC.
Hell, look at what Biden did in NH. He pulled out of the primary because the DNC yanked the delegates, then Biden spent a bunch on a write in campaign and bragged he "won".
But I'm blocking right after I send this. You're just repeating the same shit over and over again, it's like talking to a brikwall.
The DNC can list whoever they want there
Well, yes, but they want Biden there.
The last three elections they've picked geriatric unpopular candidates and refuse to listen to voter feedback.
Those candidates were picked by voters, so this isn't exactly true. They just lead voters by the nose through establishment bias in mainstream media.
The one place where I think this is true is with Kamala Harris. She solidly lost the 2020 primary, yet there is a chance that she will be the one to finish a Biden second term, and they will try to skip her next primary because they will call her an incumbent. That is the eventuality that we should be preparing to fight right now. The battle to replace Biden for 2024 was a worthy one, but we lost.
"vote blue no matter who" is fucking you
Did I say that? The second we have a red candidate that's better than a blue one, I'm voting red. Third party strategies will fuck me worse.
The DNC needs voters more than voters need the DNC.
Meaningless drivel with no practical strategic relevance. It would be awesome if we could form an ideal party and get most Democratic voters to switch, but that's a childish fantasy.
then Biden spent a bunch on a write in campaign and bragged he "won".
Getting the most votes as a write in is pretty impressive honestly. The real scandal is that the DNC put a swing state in jeopardy to favor a deeply red state just to create a harder path for progressives. Hang them with that.
But I'm blocking right after I send this.
Whatever.
So, I'm gonna ask this again, and I'm sure I'm gonna get another non-answer, but I always have to ask anyway...
Why are you guys so scared of Kamala?
I can totally understand why you get non-answers to that non-question. I never said I was scared of Kamala. However, she came in close to dead last in the primary, and could very well end up being a Democratic presidential nominee after having been roundly rejected. I object to having the choice of US President whittled down to right-wing Satan and a tool of the oligarchs before we ever get to vote.
From the beginning of the 2020 primary, Kamala was clearly the establishment's first choice, with all the establishment friendly publications putting out glowing praise daily. Biden was the backup who went from almost last (excepting Harris) to first place overnight when every single establishment friendly candidate suddenly dropped out and endorsed Biden. It was a brilliant strategy by establishment, but was more of a manipulation than a democratic victory.
Elizabeth Warren staying in even long after she had no chance was also extremely sus. She suddenly dove under the radar, but kept her hat in the ring to split the progressive vote until Bernie was done. There is no rational explanation except that she was motivated to sink Bernie by some carrot or stick from the establishment.
So no, after that circus of a primary, I'm not willing to hand over potentially four Presidential terms to the establishment.
Kamala is also a terrible candidate with an abysmal track record and zero charisma. Every word she says sounds like it came from a focus group and was delivered by a robot. Even as a token black woman, she is deeply unpopular with blacks, especially those in the civil rights movement. (I support promoting minorities in government, but If they don't represent their groups with policy in addition to appearance then they are just a token.)
Legitimately just do one thing for people that makes a visible, palpable change in their lives for the better and you'll never lose an election again.
Biden has given a massive boost to unions in multiple ways, restarted enforcement of anti-trust laws, eased enforcement of Marijuana laws / moved towards decriminalization, and has forgiven $138 billion in student debt.
I'm no fan of Biden and we should definitely demand better, but it's ridiculous to claim he hasn't done just one thing to make people's lives better. This list is just off the top of my head, except the figure for student debt. I didn't even include climate issues since there has been some bad to subtract from the good, but he's been far better than any Republican would be.
what is this "move to decriminalization"?
Just appoint a head of the DEA who won't arrest people for pot and pardon everyone in prison for possession/distribution. He chooses to allow the violence of criminalization to continue.
has forgiven $138 billion in student debt.
The overwhelming majority of that was due to a bush-era law.
We saw how much unilateral power the executive has under trump. We see how capable the democrats are of whipping the vote when it's funding to bomb foreigners or lock them in cages. What would it take for you to realize they are not unable to do these things, but unwilling? I struggle to imagine a scenario that would prove that, which hasn't already happened.
what is this "move to decriminalization"?
Just appoint a head of the DEA who won't arrest people for pot and pardon everyone in prison for possession/distribution. He chooses to allow the violence of criminalization to continue.
You know he already pardoned everyone who was in federal prison for simple possession, 2 years ago, right?
And passed a bill for full federal legalization, which the Republicans defeated in the senate?
We saw how much unilateral power the executive has under trump.
Yes, Trump famously got everything he wanted. Ukraine never got their military aid that he tried to block, and the Department of Justice famously bent to his every whim and prosecuted his political opponents when he kept ordering them to. I remember it well.
We see how capable the democrats are of whipping the vote when it's funding to bomb foreigners or lock them in cages.
This is actually the most heinously dishonest of the things you've been saying but I have become discouraged and don't want to spend too much more time researching and illustrating why this is all wrong.
Family separation at the border was already dead when Biden took office; it only ran for about a year in the middle of his presidency. But Biden did start the task force to find the kids' families and reunite them. The flow of immigrant children was quite literally in the exact opposite direction of what you're saying under Biden: From being imprisoned in cages to being back with their families. Look up your own citation for it, I'm getting genuinely irritated that I have to spend time talking about this.
And passed a bill for full federal legalization, which the Republicans defeated in the senate?
The president doesn't pass bills, and this one wasn't passed by those that do pass bills. Tell progressives again that they don't know how government works.
I'm gonna cut to the chase of a longer comment I typed out. The only part that really needs to be said:
"So, since there's no way to argue with it factually, the combatant seizes on a deliberate misunderstanding of what I was saying and tries to reframe the whole conversation around that misunderstanding, in order to create a thing to disagree about which isn't the factually-indefensible original thing to disagree about."
The rest and the context are pretty self-explanatory.
You wanted to give him credit for passing something that didn't pass and that he can't pass. If you don't want people getting on your case for it, don't tell others that they don't know how government works.
He proposed legalizing it. Nothing passed. Proposals and failures are not accomplishments. He doesn't get credit for BBB for the same reason: it failed.
You may be willing to give him credit for failures. I give him credit for his successes, such as selling weapons to Netanyahu for genocide.
You seized on literally the only thing in my long-enough-to-be-tedious list that was an attempt instead of an outcome, and are trying to spin it into me giving him credit only for failures. I'm almost impressed.
The first two items in my list represented the successful outcome of his second attempt at something, after the first attempt was blocked, but those $144 billion and 40% reduction numbers are the outcome (after the initial much bigger attempt). Then comes the attempt at marijuana legalization. Every other item is simply the outcome.
I think you should get some sort of award for how vaguely plausible you make this argument sound, given the yawning gulf between it and what actually happened, and the fact that the evidence for it not happening the way you said is literally just right up there in the comments up above (not buried away somewhere in some government document that there could be legitimate debate about how to interpret.)
You seized on literally the only thing in my long-enough-to-be-tedious list that was an attempt instead of an outcome
Well, if you're going to try to give him credit for shit he hasn't done, I'm gonna call you on it.
and are trying to spin it into me giving him credit only for failures.
Never said that. You're telling on yourself.
Okay, fine. Let me try again.
You seized on literally the only thing in my long-enough-to-be-tedious list that was an attempt instead of an outcome, and are dealing with it as if giving him credit for that attempt was the only thing I'd done, instead of one attempt listed among a big group of demonstrated successes. I'm almost impressed.
The first two items in my list represented the successful outcome of his second attempt at something, after the first attempt was blocked, but those $144 billion and 40% reduction numbers are the outcome (after the initial much bigger attempt). Then comes the attempt at marijuana legalization. Every other item is simply the outcome.
I think you should get some sort of award for how vaguely plausible you make this argument sound, given the yawning gulf between it and what I actually said, and the fact that the evidence for it not happening the way you said is literally just right up there in the comments up above (not buried away somewhere in some government document that there could be legitimate debate about how to interpret.)
Happier with that?
If you don't want me pointing out when you call a failure an accomplishment, all you need to do is not call a failure an accomplishment. If you feel entitled to me addressing every last word of your comment, you should consider that I'm not here to fulfill your unreasonable sense of entitlement.
Any new DEA administrator would have to be approved by the Senate, and an an appointment that was a defacto decriminalization vote would not pass.
The bar that was set in this discussion was that Biden hasn't done anything to improve lives. I have already made a comment elsewhere in this thread indicating that I do not suffer from the delusions you are putting on me. Biden absolutely should be doing more, that just wasn't the bar presented.
I LOVE seeing this nonsense downvoted. It gives me hope that lemmy is not going to turn into an echo chamber for manufactured outrage and misinformation.
Also helps that any instance that gets taken over by MAGA or Russian Trolls can be ejected
Distinguishing between far-left rhetoric and right-wing propaganda is virtually indistinguishable nowadays though. And I think the MAGA trolls want it that way.
Oh, come on. Centrists have been saying that everyone to their left is all the way to their right since before Clinton lost to every centrist's second choice.
Gotta love being called an evil shitlib for suggesting that Joe Biden isn't turbo hitler and the current system, while flawed, can be improved and burning it all down would likely result in far more hardships than reforming what we've got.
lemmy.world mods are also compromised. They're just more subtle about it than lemmygrad et al.
Do you have a source for this? Reddit's mods on big or politically-or-commercially-relevant subs were very clearly compromised, but I hadn't seen any indication of that on lemmy.world and I was kind of hoping that it would be a lot more resistant.
Comments with blatant falsehoods? Cool. Comments calling out those falsehoods? Removed by mod, rule 3
Do you have an example or two? I know the lemmy.ml mods are shit, that is not news to me, but I haven't seen this happen on lemmy.world that I can remember.
We call that a robust democracy.
Can’t Biden just kill him? He has Presidential immunity. The Supreme Court doesn’t give a fig and Biden can do whatever he wants since they take 4+ years to eventually kick the can and further delay their decisions. By that time, Biden may well be 106 years old.
Also, Trump has stated the Vice President has the power to certify the election results or not. So now Kamala can just usher Biden into a second term, “if she has the courage”.
Like Mike Pompeo said, “There will be a very smooth transition to a second Biden Presidency…”
My fuck, if only the Democrats had the balls to use the Republican's own tactics against them
"Oh so since a president is, according to you, immune to all laws even after no longer being president, then Biden can just order a hit on Trump and all of you? Because as long as Trump isn't arrested and left unable to run, that seems to be what you are saying. You have til the end of May :)"
That's a big mistake. Dekocrats don't lack balls to do what the republicans do, the just have a little bit of morals that the republicans completely lack.
That plus stopping the genocide would get my vote.
Why bother giving the ultimatum if you wouldn't benefit by them responding though?
Which genocide? Rohingya? South Sudan? Ethiopia? Uyghurs in China? There is a lot of shit going down around the world.
Dude’s a concern troll. Don’t feed him.
I detest what’s happening to the Palestinians too, and what’s been happening to them for ages. But pretending that it’s the only thing going on in the world right now that needs to be addressed urgently honestly just belies an enormous lack of awareness of current global events.
And pretending that it needs to be a litmus test issue for whether people should vote for Biden is frankly idiotic, because I would bet my aggregate professional salary that Trump would have enthusiastically sortied several squadrons of B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza all Vietnam War style, and if you think that’s an improvement, you need your head examined.
Troll is probably a .ml GRUbot doing pootin's bidding
The one Biden is can stop at any moment by not giving them the equipment they're using to carry it out.
Also the Uighur claim is laughable. Xinjiang doesn't even have travel restrictions, journalists can just go there.
Yes yes, let's not vote Biden, Trump would be a much better option to stop all of those genocides. ~ Says fucking no one...
Trump is friends with all of the dictators. If you want to actually make a fucking difference then protest and write to your local politicians to put pressure on Washington. You trying to push this pathetic "don't vote for genocide" bullshit is going to do nothing but it worse. Moral superiority doesn't mean shit if you fucking burn everything down because you can't make a big boy decision. An American Dictatorship will do nothing but make the world a darker place, and it seems you and the rest of the rest of these "don't vote Biden" chucklefucks are doing your damnedest to bring thst about....which in turn only makes me think that you aren't American.
Says Russian agents.
I've been doing that.
Why are you wasting your time trying to shame powerless voters for not pledging to vote for Biden unconditionally instead of trying to get the people with power to see that if they don't stop the genocide, they will lose reelection?
And what happens if they lose the reelection? What do you think happens? Wonderful, you get to pat yourself on the back for being so morally righteous that you helped usher in Project 2025 and the end of American Democracy. You get to tell everyone that maybe if they just listened to you then this would have never happened. Sound like success, don't it? I can't imagine how terrifying a Dictator controlling the world's strongest military would be, especially if they push through Christian Rule, like they've always wanted to do.
Instead of trying to get your Senators and Representatives to put pressure on Washington, you'd rather just threaten to destroy the whole system if you don't get your way. I "waste my time" so that other people might see how asinine this whole temper tantrum people like you are throwing. I fucking hate that the Gazan people are being murdered, raped, tortured, bombed, starved, and humiliated by the hands of the IDF, but I'm not going to burn my house down to protest it. There's other ways to try and get Washington to help stop this, and destroying our way of life is not it.
Unless you're talking about direct action to stop arms manufacture/transport or do economic damage to israel, there's literally not, that's how representative democracy works, if you cannot make a credibly tell a politician they won't get elected unless they do what you're telling them, you are not represented.
That's literally the only pressure we have on politicians.
This is true. Sadly, our system of representation is limited to two viable parties, one that's Not Great, and one that's Demonstrably Evil. If you send the message that you dont support the Not Great party by not re-electing them, the only thing that benefits is the Demonstrably Evil party.
Both parties have proven historically that they dont care about people who won't vote for them by simply not engaging with groups they consider a lost cause. This frees up their time and money so they can gin up the groups that do (or might) support them.
The ONLY way to make sure you have the representatives you need is to start now and hope future generations will benefit. Establish a viable independent party starting in local elections - school boards, city councils. These people make decisions about local education and infrastructure that will directly benefit people in your community and prove that this new party truly has their backs. From there, this party and their reps will move higher up into state and federal governments with recognition and an established voting record.
True representation takes a lot of time and effort, and if we start now, maybe our grandchildren will have a better life. It's a long game, like it or not.
I thought Beijing had better English schools for its agents.
I edited "make a credible threat" to "tell" and fucked it up.
I wish I spoke mandarin.
Instead of threatening to kill Trump, should the SCOTUS rule in favor of immunity, Biden should threaten to kill SCOTUS. Then they’ll sit up and pay attention.
He'd be able to jail governors until they agree to amend the constitution to make the president subject to laws henceforth.
What a fucking joke.
Throw trump in Guantánamo. If anyone in Congress says anything against it or tries to impeach, send them as well. When the SC even decides to hear a case against Biden, throw them in Guantánamo as well. And then, hopefully bring back some sane laws. SC has already decided they don't really care what The Constitution says.
I forgot about this horseshit
Smooth transition? I don't remember..
Mike Pompeo being a big piece of shit
Honestly, if the Tribunal of Six decides that Trump has total, unequivocal, blanket immunity at any point before Jan 6, 2025, Biden should just sic Seal Team Six on him. It would be 100% legal.
They won't, because that's insane. What they've done is make sure to the Supreme Court case will keep other federal trials on hold, and thus Trump won't have a guilty verdict before election day. Trump can keep running and perhaps win, and at the same time the obvious and sane answer to the case will still come down.
That's why they're delaying all his cases. If they rule in favor of Trump, Biden will have the same immunity. If they rule against Trump, he probably loses the election. The only way for the fascists to win is to delay until past the election, preferably past the point when Trump is sworn in. And then on his 2nd day in office release their ruling that the President has complete and total power to do whatever he wants whenever he wants. All hail King Trump.
I really hope it doesn’t turn out that way, and at this point I think it probably won’t get to that point. But if it does, I genuinely don’t think there’s a way out of the situation without a civil war, and I say that because I am fully aware of how much of a psychotic toddler Trump is.
He used the government as a punitive instrument pretty much the entire time he was in office. Anything genuinely good and humane that occurred was done by accident. I will not be surprised if he tries to nationalize the state ANGs in blue states and straight up depose the state governments, and THAT would absolutely trigger serious, violent, and organized backlash.
Agree.
Disagree. Democrats are toothless. I bed Biden's "robust" response to another attempted coup will be a strongly-worded letter. He shouldn't be talking with lawyers, he should be talking with generals.
Immunity doesn't make something legal, it just protects you from prosecution unless it's revoked
The “immunity” that Trump wants the USSC to give him is effectively intrinsic, monarch-caliber “I am the law” immunity - effectively, he is working to get the court to declare that he is somehow just above the law in a categorical sense. We are not talking about immunity in the context of its understood and agreed upon legal definition in the United States.
Oh lol, I mean I think his legal team is just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks
Sadly people will point to this and see it as proof that "Biden's rigging it for himself!" and people will sadly believe it
They will do that regardless.
People said we couldn't vote for Sanders because Floridians wouldn't vote for a socialist. Biden lost Florida by a wide margin, because Trump painted him as a socialist.
Yeah. That's why Biden lost Florida.
If you check exit polling, that was a significant factor.
tldr: it's a dyson sphere
it's definitely just producing 600 science per minute.
No, its an oneill cylinder.
with two dyson spheres next to eachother on one end.
I was hoping for an Aldrin Cycler.....
Huh. TIL.
Makes sense, considering he wrote the book on orbital rendezvous as his doctoral thesis.
Let's hope Trump doesn't have a Gravitational Beam Emitter.
Except - Trump owns the courts thanks to Bitch McConnell and his justice stealing, and the Republicans don’t give a shit about the rule of law anyway.
What are a bunch of lawyers going to do in the face of a crowd of well armed republicans determined to fight to put Trump in the presidency? Jan 6 was a shitshow and they were lucky it was disorganized.
Regardless what happens trump is going to claim the election was rigged anyway.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Numerous Democratic lawmakers, operatives, Biden campaign advisers, and administration officials tell Rolling Stone that if the president does ultimately beat Trump this November, the election will be exceedingly close.
Top officials in both the Trump and Biden camps are expecting an uncomfortably tight election outcome in November, sources in both campaigns have told Rolling Stone on numerous occasions over the past year.
Sources in and around the president’s legal and political operations say the Biden campaign’s current wargaming is informed by questions aides asked themselves in the wake of the 2020 election: What if there’s a rematch in four years with Donald Trump?
Still, Team Biden has been planning for years sketching out what Trump could do as the leader of the GOP, and has partnered with the Democratic National Committee and a vast network of liberal attorneys and legal groups to conduct similar doomsday-style wargaming.
Bidenworld’s closely-held list of nightmare scenarios — in which Democratic legal teams would have to battle it out tooth and nail with Republican counterparts before, during, or after Election Day 2024 — has grown “comically long,” says one source with direct knowledge of the matter.
Biden campaign officials and other Democrats familiar with the topic tell Rolling Stone that a key concern, for which step-by-step gameplanning has already begun, is how to robustly respond if Trump and other leading Republicans try to engineer another Jan. 6-style power grab.
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Oh, I was hoping they were going to literally trap him inside a giant obelisk. Shame.
Tartarus?
Phantom Zone
When Republicans want to make sure the elections are fair: "You're all just losers and conspiracy theorists!"
When Democrats want to make sure the elections are fair" "They're just being careful."
Unironically yes. Democrats are no saints, but republicans are just straight up evil, and actively attempting to dismantle what little democracy we have.
Can you please explain your comment further? What do you mean by "fair". Can you provide examples of how the GOP was trying to make elections "fair", and contrast with what the democrats are attempting to do?
No, they can't.
We could have just ran a popular candidate that helped people for four years instead of spending that time what to do about the unpopular candidate not being able to decisively beat the worst president in the history of America.
A random empty suit off the street would easily beat trump.
Probably would be handling genocides better too
Give it a rest.
Who is "we"?
What is a "popular candidate"?
There were actually elections, you know.
Biden isn't exactly my cup of tea but he's more or less reasonable on the national field. And people should understand when you elect a president (despite what Trump would tell you), you are actually electing an administration, a structure of workforce based on certain values. As long as something crazy doesn't happen that puts the speaker up there, for the most part it's those ideas that are winning the elections.
A-fuckin-goddamn-men.
This is what I always had a problem with as far as Trump is concerned. Trump only cares about Trump and he also believes he knows everything. He hires "yes men" not people who will inform him, not that he's the type to accept information from others (unless it's a lie meant to disparage his opponents.) That's way more dangerous to us than his stupid Twitter usage and drawing on weather maps.
It's also why, although I don't love Biden, I'm ok with him. I know he's only responsible for putting the rubber stamp on ideas his administration is coming up with. He may issue initial goals, but the administration has the expertise and does the work and they don't exactly seem like a bunch of ghouls in this administration.
In less than half the states...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/calendar
The primary is performative, the DNC has been openly admitting they're not interested in fair primaries go like a decade now, even openly saying if they don't get the results they want, they'll ignore results.
You might not have realized it yet, but you personally don't need to understand something for it to be true
Literally one of the shittiest ways to talk to a person and ensure they won't take you seriously.
this is the shitty world we live in for 2024. Unless one of these geezers dies this is what its going to look like.
And no, a random empty suit off the street would not easily beat trump; when the corporate media aparatus is pointed at you things will always be like this because they want the worst guy to win, always.
The amount of downvotes you’re getting for the most common sense solution is really sad.
I have a feeling all those crazy 2016 Clinton supporters were IP banned from most major social media sites.
So now they're on Lemmy.
Theyre just as bad as trump voters. They don't care about issues or what a candidate achieves if they win. They just want their "team" to win an election.
That's their end goal, so if anyone ever says a negative thing about their teams candidate, they take it personal and say the worst thing you can ever do is admit any flaws.
It's blind loyalty to a person. And that shit is fucking dangerous.
I just can't support that shit. I paid attention in history class. If the only two political options are that far gone, there's been other political parties in America before, and there can be again.
There is nothing as bad as trump voters
You are right, but we're kind of past the point where saying so is useful. But if Biden resigns and hands the reigns to Kamala, no way in hell should anyone accept another sham primary because she is an encombant. I'm so sick of these supposedly pro-democracy Democrats and their entire bullshit primary system.
Just fyi, it’s “incumbent”
Thanks
Bruh, the general hasn't even started....
It's not too late to run someone that can beat trump.
Name one person that can beat Trump, and provide evidence to show it’s possible.
Biden, for whatever reason, is an extremely unlikable president. Undeniably so. These two candidates might literally be the only two candidates that could lose to the other. Sad state of affairs.
Personally I think Bernie would still easily steam roll trump and is far more popular than Biden. Only way he would run tho is if Biden stepped down which he won't.. but that's sorta the problem
Bernie isn’t going to run, regardless of Biden stepping down. So he doesn’t count. Name someone currently in the running- that can beat Trump.
I don't think you can say what Bernie would do if Biden stepped down, he has stated that he will not run precisely because Biden is running again and he doesn't want to make any voters think he was an option, the incumbent is just automatically going to win the primary. He doesn't want to sour any voters that really wanted him to win the primary when there is no chance he will win going up against an incumbent. If Biden stepped down and it was an open DNC primary then I think Bernie would almost certainly run again.
You are being weirdly stubborn in considering actual possibilities. I get that we are likely stuck with Biden but that's because Biden is going to run again, not because there are no other options. Biden is not a good choice though and he should honestly step down, there are way better choices. Newsom would also be better than Biden and you could be sure if there was a primary with no incumbent in it he would be in there.
I think I can say safely- and honestly say that he’s not an option.
Who has a chance to beat Trump THAT IS RUNNING.
You are like a broken record. No democrat is going to run against incumbent it would be pointless, there is no chance they will win a dnc primary with Biden in the race. The incumbent always wins the primary and everyone knows that except apparently you, but that doesn't make Biden the best choice, far from it. Especially with the dnc canceling primaries where progressives might actually win like NH. The Marianne williamson run was just a protest run, she didn't think she would win.
The problem is Biden is running again despite him saying in 2020 that he would be a 1 term president.
I asked a simple question. You’re dancing around the answer by suggesting impossibilities.
It was suggested to run someone that is better than Biden, I asked who could run that could beat Trump.
I’m a broken record because you’re dodging the question and refuse to admin that there isn’t anyone that could right now.
There are people who could right now if Biden steps down which he should, he's a genocide enabler. Sorry you refuse to admin that
Biden isn’t stepping down. This is established. So you’re refusing to answer the question.
We’re done here.
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He's a proven leader, appeals to many on all sides of the political spectrum, and the supreme court has ruled they can't keep someone off the ballot, and neither can states, so if the Senate Democrats don't stop it then there's nothing that can be done about it.
If the leader of an insurrection can be on the ballot, a foreign born American citizen can.
Hes not running. Also, he’s ineligible- try again.
Yeah, that's kinda my point. He's ineligible, but so is trump. The Supreme Court said that only Congress can keep someone from running, and the current Congress won't do it for trump, and may not do it for someone running as a Democrat, if they could beat trump.
He's not running because he didn't think he could, but the general hasn't started, so he has time.
I asked you to provide a name of someone that can beat Trump in November. Not hypotheticals.
Provide the name.
If you have a working strategy to get there, I'm all ears. Despite Biden's lack of popularity, the vast majority of Democratic voters seem to be in the "don't challenge an encombant" camp.
Why would you think that?
The DNC canceled NH's primary because it's been going progressive. And less than a third of voters would be happy if Biden was president.
Voters didn't get a say, lots of states haven't even held.primaries yet
Still not seeing a plan. My state hasn't voted yet, and I won't be voting for Biden, but I still know he is the nominee. It's not even really possible for him to lose at this point, and everyone else has dropped out. The party could replace him, but I don't see that happening without some kind of major medical episode.
No, you just keep ignoring it, I said it a long time ago...
We run someone else in the general.
It cost a literal billion dollars for Biden to win his first presidential election. And that was by like 30k votes in a few states. He's less popular now, especially in those states due to his actions in Israel.
Do you legitimately think a random American couldn't be trump with a billion dollars?
Because it's not going to be cheaper for Biden this time.
I wasn't as clear as I thought. Since you and I don't get to choose the nominee, what's the plan to get Biden replaced on the ballot?
The DNC can list whoever they want there, regardless of what happens in any primary
The last three elections they've picked geriatric unpopular candidates and refuse to listen to voter feedback.
Sooner or later you need to realize:
"vote blue no matter who" is fucking you
The DNC needs voters more than voters need the DNC.
Hell, look at what Biden did in NH. He pulled out of the primary because the DNC yanked the delegates, then Biden spent a bunch on a write in campaign and bragged he "won".
But I'm blocking right after I send this. You're just repeating the same shit over and over again, it's like talking to a brikwall.
Well, yes, but they want Biden there.
Those candidates were picked by voters, so this isn't exactly true. They just lead voters by the nose through establishment bias in mainstream media.
The one place where I think this is true is with Kamala Harris. She solidly lost the 2020 primary, yet there is a chance that she will be the one to finish a Biden second term, and they will try to skip her next primary because they will call her an incumbent. That is the eventuality that we should be preparing to fight right now. The battle to replace Biden for 2024 was a worthy one, but we lost.
Did I say that? The second we have a red candidate that's better than a blue one, I'm voting red. Third party strategies will fuck me worse.
Meaningless drivel with no practical strategic relevance. It would be awesome if we could form an ideal party and get most Democratic voters to switch, but that's a childish fantasy.
Getting the most votes as a write in is pretty impressive honestly. The real scandal is that the DNC put a swing state in jeopardy to favor a deeply red state just to create a harder path for progressives. Hang them with that.
Whatever.
So, I'm gonna ask this again, and I'm sure I'm gonna get another non-answer, but I always have to ask anyway...
Why are you guys so scared of Kamala?
I can totally understand why you get non-answers to that non-question. I never said I was scared of Kamala. However, she came in close to dead last in the primary, and could very well end up being a Democratic presidential nominee after having been roundly rejected. I object to having the choice of US President whittled down to right-wing Satan and a tool of the oligarchs before we ever get to vote.
From the beginning of the 2020 primary, Kamala was clearly the establishment's first choice, with all the establishment friendly publications putting out glowing praise daily. Biden was the backup who went from almost last (excepting Harris) to first place overnight when every single establishment friendly candidate suddenly dropped out and endorsed Biden. It was a brilliant strategy by establishment, but was more of a manipulation than a democratic victory.
Elizabeth Warren staying in even long after she had no chance was also extremely sus. She suddenly dove under the radar, but kept her hat in the ring to split the progressive vote until Bernie was done. There is no rational explanation except that she was motivated to sink Bernie by some carrot or stick from the establishment.
So no, after that circus of a primary, I'm not willing to hand over potentially four Presidential terms to the establishment.
Kamala is also a terrible candidate with an abysmal track record and zero charisma. Every word she says sounds like it came from a focus group and was delivered by a robot. Even as a token black woman, she is deeply unpopular with blacks, especially those in the civil rights movement. (I support promoting minorities in government, but If they don't represent their groups with policy in addition to appearance then they are just a token.)
bUtTrUmPiSwOrSe!
Legitimately just do one thing for people that makes a visible, palpable change in their lives for the better and you'll never lose an election again.
Biden has given a massive boost to unions in multiple ways, restarted enforcement of anti-trust laws, eased enforcement of Marijuana laws / moved towards decriminalization, and has forgiven $138 billion in student debt.
I'm no fan of Biden and we should definitely demand better, but it's ridiculous to claim he hasn't done just one thing to make people's lives better. This list is just off the top of my head, except the figure for student debt. I didn't even include climate issues since there has been some bad to subtract from the good, but he's been far better than any Republican would be.
what is this "move to decriminalization"?
Just appoint a head of the DEA who won't arrest people for pot and pardon everyone in prison for possession/distribution. He chooses to allow the violence of criminalization to continue.
The overwhelming majority of that was due to a bush-era law.
We saw how much unilateral power the executive has under trump. We see how capable the democrats are of whipping the vote when it's funding to bomb foreigners or lock them in cages. What would it take for you to realize they are not unable to do these things, but unwilling? I struggle to imagine a scenario that would prove that, which hasn't already happened.
You know he already pardoned everyone who was in federal prison for simple possession, 2 years ago, right?
And told the DEA to reschedule it
And passed a bill for full federal legalization, which the Republicans defeated in the senate?
Yes, Trump famously got everything he wanted. Ukraine never got their military aid that he tried to block, and the Department of Justice famously bent to his every whim and prosecuted his political opponents when he kept ordering them to. I remember it well.
This is actually the most heinously dishonest of the things you've been saying but I have become discouraged and don't want to spend too much more time researching and illustrating why this is all wrong.
Family separation at the border was already dead when Biden took office; it only ran for about a year in the middle of his presidency. But Biden did start the task force to find the kids' families and reunite them. The flow of immigrant children was quite literally in the exact opposite direction of what you're saying under Biden: From being imprisoned in cages to being back with their families. Look up your own citation for it, I'm getting genuinely irritated that I have to spend time talking about this.
The president doesn't pass bills, and this one wasn't passed by those that do pass bills. Tell progressives again that they don't know how government works.
I'm gonna cut to the chase of a longer comment I typed out. The only part that really needs to be said:
"So, since there's no way to argue with it factually, the combatant seizes on a deliberate misunderstanding of what I was saying and tries to reframe the whole conversation around that misunderstanding, in order to create a thing to disagree about which isn't the factually-indefensible original thing to disagree about."
The rest and the context are pretty self-explanatory.
You wanted to give him credit for passing something that didn't pass and that he can't pass. If you don't want people getting on your case for it, don't tell others that they don't know how government works.
He proposed legalizing it. Nothing passed. Proposals and failures are not accomplishments. He doesn't get credit for BBB for the same reason: it failed.
You may be willing to give him credit for failures. I give him credit for his successes, such as selling weapons to Netanyahu for genocide.
You seized on literally the only thing in my long-enough-to-be-tedious list that was an attempt instead of an outcome, and are trying to spin it into me giving him credit only for failures. I'm almost impressed.
The first two items in my list represented the successful outcome of his second attempt at something, after the first attempt was blocked, but those $144 billion and 40% reduction numbers are the outcome (after the initial much bigger attempt). Then comes the attempt at marijuana legalization. Every other item is simply the outcome.
I think you should get some sort of award for how vaguely plausible you make this argument sound, given the yawning gulf between it and what actually happened, and the fact that the evidence for it not happening the way you said is literally just right up there in the comments up above (not buried away somewhere in some government document that there could be legitimate debate about how to interpret.)
Well, if you're going to try to give him credit for shit he hasn't done, I'm gonna call you on it.
Never said that. You're telling on yourself.
Okay, fine. Let me try again.
You seized on literally the only thing in my long-enough-to-be-tedious list that was an attempt instead of an outcome, and are dealing with it as if giving him credit for that attempt was the only thing I'd done, instead of one attempt listed among a big group of demonstrated successes. I'm almost impressed.
The first two items in my list represented the successful outcome of his second attempt at something, after the first attempt was blocked, but those $144 billion and 40% reduction numbers are the outcome (after the initial much bigger attempt). Then comes the attempt at marijuana legalization. Every other item is simply the outcome.
I think you should get some sort of award for how vaguely plausible you make this argument sound, given the yawning gulf between it and what I actually said, and the fact that the evidence for it not happening the way you said is literally just right up there in the comments up above (not buried away somewhere in some government document that there could be legitimate debate about how to interpret.)
Happier with that?
If you don't want me pointing out when you call a failure an accomplishment, all you need to do is not call a failure an accomplishment. If you feel entitled to me addressing every last word of your comment, you should consider that I'm not here to fulfill your unreasonable sense of entitlement.
Do you believe Biden should pardon everyone in prison for Marijuana-related crimes?
Just skip to the bit where you can't defend your position and call me a Russian. It's all you'll ever know.
Answer the question.
Go upstairs and ask your parents what it's like to live with disappointment, because I'm not going to participate on your terms.
Any new DEA administrator would have to be approved by the Senate, and an an appointment that was a defacto decriminalization vote would not pass.
The bar that was set in this discussion was that Biden hasn't done anything to improve lives. I have already made a comment elsewhere in this thread indicating that I do not suffer from the delusions you are putting on me. Biden absolutely should be doing more, that just wasn't the bar presented.
Or you could just deny reality like some do
I LOVE seeing this nonsense downvoted. It gives me hope that lemmy is not going to turn into an echo chamber for manufactured outrage and misinformation.
Also helps that any instance that gets taken over by MAGA or Russian Trolls can be ejected
Distinguishing between far-left rhetoric and right-wing propaganda is virtually indistinguishable nowadays though. And I think the MAGA trolls want it that way.
Oh, come on. Centrists have been saying that everyone to their left is all the way to their right since before Clinton lost to every centrist's second choice.
Gotta love being called an evil shitlib for suggesting that Joe Biden isn't turbo hitler and the current system, while flawed, can be improved and burning it all down would likely result in far more hardships than reforming what we've got.
Quite a few instances block lemmy.world because it's so overrun by shouty accounts with bad opinions as to be a significant problem.
lemmy.world mods are also compromised. They're just more subtle about it than lemmygrad et al.
Do you have a source for this? Reddit's mods on big or politically-or-commercially-relevant subs were very clearly compromised, but I hadn't seen any indication of that on lemmy.world and I was kind of hoping that it would be a lot more resistant.
Comments with blatant falsehoods? Cool. Comments calling out those falsehoods? Removed by mod, rule 3
Do you have an example or two? I know the lemmy.ml mods are shit, that is not news to me, but I haven't seen this happen on lemmy.world that I can remember.
https://lemmy.world/comment/8677755
Or hey, even one of your own: https://lemmy.world/comment/8405221
What the heck man
Why they removin my copypasta
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