Good. The time to stop is when Russia leaves Ukraine.
How many Ukrainians are going to die before that happens?
Less than how many would die by the rampaging horde if Ukraine gave up. Judging by what happend in Bucha, Irpin, Mariupol or elsewhere.
That was during the war.
Playing rocket tag with the Russians for another three years will create more Mariupols.
Russia giving up would solve everything tho, so let's do that instead
We could have done that but decided to give Ukraine second hand garbage to fight with.
Oh so is this where you're going to tell us about the mind control Ray or something? How are we ever going to make Russia give up? Presumably if we have that power we should just do it now.
How would we have done that, US+Europe+others join the war?
Or bypassing congress, doing secret arms sales, any of the plethora of ways that we use to support israel committing Genocide could have been used to help Ukraine win.
Gotcha.
I guess a difference there is that Israel was paying money. So that has been urgent partly so some people could make a shitton of money.
Israel was loaning money which Genocide Joe made sure to refund them in full afterwards.
Now that Biden gifted israel $26Billion the entire "israel is paying for it" argument doesn't hold up much
“Just give in and marry the rapist that’s breaking into your house “
More doing Hatfields and McCoys shit for another three years, because you can't decide on the property line.
You understand that this isn't a feud perpetuated by both sides. This is one side desperately trying to fend off an unprovoked invader.
I did not phrase that as a question, because I know you know this.
But just in case, I'll say something I'm pretty sure you understand as well.
Cyka blyat
You understand that this isn’t a feud perpetuated by both sides.
There's been a civil war tearing apart the Donbas since 2014.
I'll spot you this, the comparison to the USSR in Afghanistan isn't that far off. America is trying to do a second Operation Cyclone by standing up a hollowed out government and fundamentalist militia with enormous volumes of foreign military aid. The only difference is that its not 1979 anymore and we're not simply unloading all our Vietnam era surplus onto some useful suckers.
Even in what is supposed to be an asymmetrical guerrilla war, westerners have somehow managed to make Ukraine more expensive for the western intelligence services than eastern traditional military.
Cyka blyat
Inshallah
Moskals can't afford to wage the war for three more years.
We get the "Russia will go bankrupt any minute now" line from the NAFO heads every six months.
It's the same bullshit we got fed during Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and Korea.
Yes, but there USA were fighting the locals. Here it's moskals who is fighting the locals.
And funny you bring up Afghanistan, USSR went down also because of invading it.
Here it’s moskals who is fighting the locals.
One reason Russia took over Crimea so easily was due to the high Russian-national identifying residents. Same with South Ossetia and Abkhazia. East Ukraine had an enormous Russia-aligned population, which drove the split that provoked the 2014 civil war and ended in the invasion.
And funny you bring up Afghanistan, USSR went down also because of invading it.
The USSR went down to perestroika. Gorbachev's reform and opening of markets invited record rates of corruption and graft, leading to the oligarchs that installed Yeltsin and Putin a decade later. The Russian military was just about the only institution that survived the hollowing out of the national economy and the dissolution of the old republican system of governance.
Good. The time to stop is when Russia leaves Ukraine.
How many Ukrainians are going to die before that happens?
Less than how many would die by the rampaging horde if Ukraine gave up. Judging by what happend in Bucha, Irpin, Mariupol or elsewhere.
That was during the war.
Playing rocket tag with the Russians for another three years will create more Mariupols.
Russia giving up would solve everything tho, so let's do that instead
We could have done that but decided to give Ukraine second hand garbage to fight with.
Oh so is this where you're going to tell us about the mind control Ray or something? How are we ever going to make Russia give up? Presumably if we have that power we should just do it now.
How would we have done that, US+Europe+others join the war?
When it came to israel we managed to pull a gazillion weapons out of thin air. And created special teams to rush weapons shipments to a country committing Genocide instead of one being invaded.
Or bypassing congress, doing secret arms sales, any of the plethora of ways that we use to support israel committing Genocide could have been used to help Ukraine win.
Gotcha.
I guess a difference there is that Israel was paying money. So that has been urgent partly so some people could make a shitton of money.
Israel was loaning money which Genocide Joe made sure to refund them in full afterwards.
Now that Biden gifted israel $26Billion the entire "israel is paying for it" argument doesn't hold up much
“Just give in and marry the rapist that’s breaking into your house “
More doing Hatfields and McCoys shit for another three years, because you can't decide on the property line.
You understand that this isn't a feud perpetuated by both sides. This is one side desperately trying to fend off an unprovoked invader.
I did not phrase that as a question, because I know you know this.
But just in case, I'll say something I'm pretty sure you understand as well.
Cyka blyat
There's been a civil war tearing apart the Donbas since 2014.
I'll spot you this, the comparison to the USSR in Afghanistan isn't that far off. America is trying to do a second Operation Cyclone by standing up a hollowed out government and fundamentalist militia with enormous volumes of foreign military aid. The only difference is that its not 1979 anymore and we're not simply unloading all our Vietnam era surplus onto some useful suckers.
Even in what is supposed to be an asymmetrical guerrilla war, westerners have somehow managed to make Ukraine more expensive for the western intelligence services than eastern traditional military.
Inshallah
Moskals can't afford to wage the war for three more years.
We get the "Russia will go bankrupt any minute now" line from the NAFO heads every six months.
It's the same bullshit we got fed during Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and Korea.
Yes, but there USA were fighting the locals. Here it's moskals who is fighting the locals.
And funny you bring up Afghanistan, USSR went down also because of invading it.
One reason Russia took over Crimea so easily was due to the high Russian-national identifying residents. Same with South Ossetia and Abkhazia. East Ukraine had an enormous Russia-aligned population, which drove the split that provoked the 2014 civil war and ended in the invasion.
The USSR went down to perestroika. Gorbachev's reform and opening of markets invited record rates of corruption and graft, leading to the oligarchs that installed Yeltsin and Putin a decade later. The Russian military was just about the only institution that survived the hollowing out of the national economy and the dissolution of the old republican system of governance.
A lot, but Putin doesn't care