I hope he speaks so long that he dies of heat stroke.
Ah yes, the reverse William Henry Harrison
That would be alright with me too.
Not with me. He must do time in prison. I don't care if it's house arrest. I want him to experience being locked up.
I just want him gone and quiet.
Correct. Gone in a prison cell with no outside public communication.
No! I want to see him in prison!
Plus if he dies now, his base will elevate his persona. Read about Venezuela. Or, hell, see what happened with Jesus!
They're going to do that regardless of how he dies. He could go peacefully in his sleep and they're going to martyr him anyway
Sure. But the rest of my wish still stands. I wish to see him in prison, even if it's house arrest.
I say we put him in the stockades and throw tomatoes at him
Get him a hector Salamanca setup, complete with a bell
I'd be happier if he ran off to a non extradition country. They can still elect him from prison, he wouldn't be a martyr. I don't care as long as he is out of my hair.
He won't be elected. Ever.
And no. No fleeing the country and living the good life with the millions he grifted.
Prison is the only acceptable outcome.
You think he would be out of your hair in another country? Nope. Prison is the only way.
He won’t be elected. Ever.
Unfortunately, I think you are gravely underestimating his chances.
I ain't. He got elected once, sure. But that's when people didn't really know what he was capable of.
But people wised up. How do I know?
Because he lost while being a sitting president.
He won't be elected. I'll be voting and telling everyone I know to go out and vote.
He lost during a crazy pandemic that caused massive uncertainty, at a time when most of the economy was 'shut down'. And even then, there were enough electoral votes to give him the victory that were less than a 1% margin of going to Trump. So he was shockingly close to winning, given the circumstances. Voting was also easier than ever in 2020, and many of those measures to make voting easier have been undone. So in 2020, you probably didn't need to go to a job, and even if you did, you could easily mail your vote in. In 2024, a likely Biden voter is more likely to have their job tie them up and are also less likely to reasonably be able to mail in a vote.
More than half of Americans think the economy is in bad shape (whether or not they are accurate is beside the point). That's generally a bad sign for an incumbent. Trump's tossing out populist fodder as promises he would certainly break, but there's a large population willing to bet on that longshot.
He won't win the election. If he does, come back here and mock me.
I don’t think this guy is interested or even cares about the opportunity to mock you, but he raises good substantive points. I think that Trump losing re-election as a sitting President is pretty irrelevant these days. Also, when did a sitting President lose and then successfully clinch the GOP nomination as efficiently and effectively as Trump did? A lot has changed in 4 years. People can hardly remember last Tuesday let alone all the atrocious shit that Trump has said or done in the last 8 years.
Oh I remember everything the GOP has done, even during the Obama era. They shut down the government twice out of spite at that time. I will never forget.
Him losing as a sitting president is quite relevant. He didn't "clinch the GOP nomination" afterwards. He was already at the top. And yet he lost. Why? Because the majority didn't want him, just like they didn't want him last time - only this time around people got up and voted against him. And people will get up and vote against him. Me included!
He clinched the GOP nomination for 2024 is what I meant. Also I’m glad you remember all that happened. My point is that many people do not.
He clinched the GOP nomination for 2024 is what I meant. Also I’m glad you remember all that happened. My point is that many people do not.
Like I said, he was going to get the 2024 nomination. He was already at the top. Bunch of GOP cowards let it happen - they could have simply expel him from the GOP. But that would have meant losing big.
Oh what a dream.
I desperately hope he doesn't. I never appriciated the power becoming a martyr could be until I thought about Trump dying. We would literally never hear the end of conspiracy theories or bad faith bills made in his name. Think of all the rallies of people protesting the "deep state" that caused the stroke. It would be absolutely insufferable and set the country back even further. He has to live to be old and forgotten.
He doesn't need to die of it, just get incapacitated enough that he can't participate. Let people see him as old and fragile. The people who need him to be a strong leader would lose their faith in him
Any case of Trump dying will cause conspiracy theories. His supporters think he’ll live forever.
I hope he speaks so long that he dies of heat stroke.
Ah yes, the reverse William Henry Harrison
That would be alright with me too.
Not with me. He must do time in prison. I don't care if it's house arrest. I want him to experience being locked up.
I just want him gone and quiet.
Correct. Gone in a prison cell with no outside public communication.
No! I want to see him in prison!
Plus if he dies now, his base will elevate his persona. Read about Venezuela. Or, hell, see what happened with Jesus!
They're going to do that regardless of how he dies. He could go peacefully in his sleep and they're going to martyr him anyway
Sure. But the rest of my wish still stands. I wish to see him in prison, even if it's house arrest.
I say we put him in the stockades and throw tomatoes at him
Get him a hector Salamanca setup, complete with a bell
I'd be happier if he ran off to a non extradition country. They can still elect him from prison, he wouldn't be a martyr. I don't care as long as he is out of my hair.
He won't be elected. Ever.
And no. No fleeing the country and living the good life with the millions he grifted.
Prison is the only acceptable outcome.
You think he would be out of your hair in another country? Nope. Prison is the only way.
Unfortunately, I think you are gravely underestimating his chances.
I ain't. He got elected once, sure. But that's when people didn't really know what he was capable of.
But people wised up. How do I know?
Because he lost while being a sitting president.
He won't be elected. I'll be voting and telling everyone I know to go out and vote.
He lost during a crazy pandemic that caused massive uncertainty, at a time when most of the economy was 'shut down'. And even then, there were enough electoral votes to give him the victory that were less than a 1% margin of going to Trump. So he was shockingly close to winning, given the circumstances. Voting was also easier than ever in 2020, and many of those measures to make voting easier have been undone. So in 2020, you probably didn't need to go to a job, and even if you did, you could easily mail your vote in. In 2024, a likely Biden voter is more likely to have their job tie them up and are also less likely to reasonably be able to mail in a vote.
More than half of Americans think the economy is in bad shape (whether or not they are accurate is beside the point). That's generally a bad sign for an incumbent. Trump's tossing out populist fodder as promises he would certainly break, but there's a large population willing to bet on that longshot.
He won't win the election. If he does, come back here and mock me.
I don’t think this guy is interested or even cares about the opportunity to mock you, but he raises good substantive points. I think that Trump losing re-election as a sitting President is pretty irrelevant these days. Also, when did a sitting President lose and then successfully clinch the GOP nomination as efficiently and effectively as Trump did? A lot has changed in 4 years. People can hardly remember last Tuesday let alone all the atrocious shit that Trump has said or done in the last 8 years.
Oh I remember everything the GOP has done, even during the Obama era. They shut down the government twice out of spite at that time. I will never forget.
Him losing as a sitting president is quite relevant. He didn't "clinch the GOP nomination" afterwards. He was already at the top. And yet he lost. Why? Because the majority didn't want him, just like they didn't want him last time - only this time around people got up and voted against him. And people will get up and vote against him. Me included!
He clinched the GOP nomination for 2024 is what I meant. Also I’m glad you remember all that happened. My point is that many people do not.
Like I said, he was going to get the 2024 nomination. He was already at the top. Bunch of GOP cowards let it happen - they could have simply expel him from the GOP. But that would have meant losing big.
Oh what a dream.
I desperately hope he doesn't. I never appriciated the power becoming a martyr could be until I thought about Trump dying. We would literally never hear the end of conspiracy theories or bad faith bills made in his name. Think of all the rallies of people protesting the "deep state" that caused the stroke. It would be absolutely insufferable and set the country back even further. He has to live to be old and forgotten.
He doesn't need to die of it, just get incapacitated enough that he can't participate. Let people see him as old and fragile. The people who need him to be a strong leader would lose their faith in him
Any case of Trump dying will cause conspiracy theories. His supporters think he’ll live forever.