The opinions of Biden seem to be all over the map, which is weird since he is the incumbent, and we all ought to know where he stands. There are lots of people (like you) who see the progressive things he has managed to get accomplished, even with a divided Congress in these past two years. Yet, there are others who perceive him as a right-of-center false choice.
He has always had trouble defining himself, which I think is part of the reason he was a perennial Presidential Primary loser. His stutter didn't help matters, nor his tendency to go off-script. But Trump's ascendancy gave him the perfect opportunity to create a definition, even if that definition is "Not Trump".
There is also a great deal of negative press out regarding Biden. Honestly if you look at policy and accomplishments he's done quite a lot of good things. It is an uphill battle of course with Congress and the Supreme Court being what they are. We are a big country and it takes constant action to push it to a more equitable place for the majority of us.
Frankly, I think Biden has done a lot to start that push. It will take a lot more though and we could backslide terribly if we don't keep pushing.
I love how you all ignore all the terrible policy this man voted for as a senator.
Well I guess maybe people change with maturity. He is certainly putting some good people into positions where they can do some good
Yeah I'm sure that comes as a huge comfort to the millions of people who's lives he ruined with his 1994 stop and frisk crime bill.
So offer a solution. Who has a chance that’s currently in the running to beat Trump in November?
Provide a name or walk away.
No I'm going to keep making it clear anybody who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries over the many superior options is a shit bag.
As I expected. NONE of you have ever provided a solution when asked, therefore it’s pretty easy to tell why you’re actually here.
You’re not fooling anyone.
We did provide a solution in 2020. Multiple. They were all rejected. It is not our responsibility to find a solution to a problem we didn't create.
How about you ask the people who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries what their plan is to get people to vote for him? If you're any indication the strategy is the same as always. "More finger wagging like the useless geriatrics we are!"
You talk a lot and still manage to say so little. What an amazing feat of… irrelevance.
You had NO solution in 2020. And you’re repeating the same tired shit this year. And like 2020, you’re going to disappear when the election is over and go back to arguing about video games.
NONE of you seem to have any solutions of what to do between the elections and only surface ever four years like a leap year but with ignorant catch phrases.
So you’ll understand when I say I don’t care if you forgive me for assuming your bad faith intentions here aren’t worthy of being taken seriously.
What the fuck are you talking about? The solution in the 2020 primaries was "don't vote for the procorporate establishment trash candidate". You all didn't like that plan so here we are.
I got you to admit what I needed you to admit. I have no more use for this discussion.
It will never be my responsibility to come up with a solution to a problem I didn't create. Nor am I morally obligated to give up my principles to a plan created by people who refused to consider alternatives. I won't be voting for Biden again and when he loses it will be the responsibility of Joe Biden and the people who voted for him in the 2020 primaries.
So we’re cool to bring up the past as a rebuttal to a thing someone has done in the present?
You shit your pants when you were a baby. Should we accuse you of this every day for the rest of your life?
We also used to prescribe cigarettes to asthmatic patients. Wonder why we don’t anymore ?
It’s because we learned to be better at understanding the human body. Essentially… We got smarter. But reading though your comment history- you seem to be regressing, because it seems that every point you bring up is worse than the last.
... I'm sorry. Do you use this defense when you're talking about Trump or are you just a blatant hypocrite?
Biden is an evil person. Trump is an evil person. You shouldn't defend either of them.
Biden is an evil person. Trump is an evil person
Bernie's friend Biden is fucking awesome dude. Love the guy! Bernie likes Biden and I've never once noticed Bernie to be wrong about anything. The more you slander Biden the more I like Biden.
I use this defense when I see people bring up one’s past to put them back down after they’ve changed.
I use this defense when bad faith clowns try and shit on people in rehab who are trying to turn their lives around.
I use this defense whenever I see people that don’t know what they’re talking about, try and paint eh world as either black or white without even looking at the grey in between.
Your move, chuckles.
Biden hasn't changed. He's the same vile evil man he's always been.
Move along. You have nothing of value to add here.
You're the one defending a genocide supporting trash of a human being and refusing to hold them accountable.
And you’re the one who couldn’t answer a simple question when asked:
Who’d you put in his place that’s running with a chance to win?
You’d rather clown about and pretend to be outraged over something you didn’t even know was a thing prior to last October. We’ve all see you before. Every four years. We’re used to this shit as it’s never anything new.
I don’t take you seriously.
You're intentionally ignoring why I have no solution at this point. Because all other solutions have been eliminated. That's how you people work. You trash and undermine our every attempt at change and then when they're all defeated and we start saying we're not motivated to vote you play this fucking game like it wasn't you fighting us every step of the way.
The why is irrelevant. You can whine all you want but everyone here seems know that unless you offer a solution, you’re here in bad faith.
And you’ve been asked who you’d put up as a solution to solve the problem, and you provide nothing but excuses.
I’ve gotten you to say what I needed people to see you say. There’s no more purpose to this discussion.
Yes I'm sure this is exactly how you evaluated the situation in 2016. I'm sure you had a perfect solution for what to do after Trump was elected right? Of course not. You blamed people for not voting for HRC. You're a hypocrite.
In the same way I have no solution now that Biden was elected in the 2020 primaries. The stupidity of that move cannot be overstated. The fact that you don't want to talk about it tells me everything I need to know about you.
You trash and undermine our every attempt at change [but] I have no solution
You're the only one doing that with your "I have no solution". Well the rest of us all so have a solution. Vote for Dems because that is the one and only way possible to move to the left.
No the only way possible to move to the left is to not vote for procorporate trash in the primaries. You made shit decisions in the past and here we are.
This is on purpose. Building confidence is hard. Destroying it is easy. Plenty of domestic and foreign actors are heavily invested in mudding Waters surrounding biden. In hopes of him failing. Their candidates getting elected. Which is turning out even easier for them seeing as our corporate publicly traded media is eagerly assisting them.
The fascists will fall in line and vote for whoever they're offered. Simply because they've been told the opposite would be worse. Unfortunately the Democratic party is much more a coalition party of many disparate groups many who don't see a lot of representation. Preferring to fall in love rather than falling in line. And they are Their Own Worst Enemy because of that.
And even though it's a low bar. If I didn't Administration has delivered some of the biggest wins for labor in the last 100 years. He certainly not perfect. But the alternatives are absolutely worse. The question is are we going to be able to get our s*** together and not let ourselves be manipulated again.
The opinions of Biden seem to be all over the map, which is weird since he is the incumbent, and we all ought to know where he stands. There are lots of people (like you) who see the progressive things he has managed to get accomplished, even with a divided Congress in these past two years. Yet, there are others who perceive him as a right-of-center false choice.
He has always had trouble defining himself, which I think is part of the reason he was a perennial Presidential Primary loser. His stutter didn't help matters, nor his tendency to go off-script. But Trump's ascendancy gave him the perfect opportunity to create a definition, even if that definition is "Not Trump".
There is also a great deal of negative press out regarding Biden. Honestly if you look at policy and accomplishments he's done quite a lot of good things. It is an uphill battle of course with Congress and the Supreme Court being what they are. We are a big country and it takes constant action to push it to a more equitable place for the majority of us.
Frankly, I think Biden has done a lot to start that push. It will take a lot more though and we could backslide terribly if we don't keep pushing.
I love how you all ignore all the terrible policy this man voted for as a senator.
Well I guess maybe people change with maturity. He is certainly putting some good people into positions where they can do some good
Yeah I'm sure that comes as a huge comfort to the millions of people who's lives he ruined with his 1994 stop and frisk crime bill.
So offer a solution. Who has a chance that’s currently in the running to beat Trump in November?
Provide a name or walk away.
No I'm going to keep making it clear anybody who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries over the many superior options is a shit bag.
As I expected. NONE of you have ever provided a solution when asked, therefore it’s pretty easy to tell why you’re actually here.
You’re not fooling anyone.
We did provide a solution in 2020. Multiple. They were all rejected. It is not our responsibility to find a solution to a problem we didn't create.
How about you ask the people who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries what their plan is to get people to vote for him? If you're any indication the strategy is the same as always. "More finger wagging like the useless geriatrics we are!"
You talk a lot and still manage to say so little. What an amazing feat of… irrelevance.
You had NO solution in 2020. And you’re repeating the same tired shit this year. And like 2020, you’re going to disappear when the election is over and go back to arguing about video games.
NONE of you seem to have any solutions of what to do between the elections and only surface ever four years like a leap year but with ignorant catch phrases.
So you’ll understand when I say I don’t care if you forgive me for assuming your bad faith intentions here aren’t worthy of being taken seriously.
What the fuck are you talking about? The solution in the 2020 primaries was "don't vote for the procorporate establishment trash candidate". You all didn't like that plan so here we are.
I got you to admit what I needed you to admit. I have no more use for this discussion.
It will never be my responsibility to come up with a solution to a problem I didn't create. Nor am I morally obligated to give up my principles to a plan created by people who refused to consider alternatives. I won't be voting for Biden again and when he loses it will be the responsibility of Joe Biden and the people who voted for him in the 2020 primaries.
So we’re cool to bring up the past as a rebuttal to a thing someone has done in the present?
You shit your pants when you were a baby. Should we accuse you of this every day for the rest of your life?
We also used to prescribe cigarettes to asthmatic patients. Wonder why we don’t anymore ?
It’s because we learned to be better at understanding the human body. Essentially… We got smarter. But reading though your comment history- you seem to be regressing, because it seems that every point you bring up is worse than the last.
... I'm sorry. Do you use this defense when you're talking about Trump or are you just a blatant hypocrite?
Biden is an evil person. Trump is an evil person. You shouldn't defend either of them.
Bernie's friend Biden is fucking awesome dude. Love the guy! Bernie likes Biden and I've never once noticed Bernie to be wrong about anything. The more you slander Biden the more I like Biden.
in that case: here's bernie calling out biden's bullshit
I use this defense when I see people bring up one’s past to put them back down after they’ve changed.
I use this defense when bad faith clowns try and shit on people in rehab who are trying to turn their lives around.
I use this defense whenever I see people that don’t know what they’re talking about, try and paint eh world as either black or white without even looking at the grey in between.
Your move, chuckles.
Biden hasn't changed. He's the same vile evil man he's always been.
Move along. You have nothing of value to add here.
You're the one defending a genocide supporting trash of a human being and refusing to hold them accountable.
And you’re the one who couldn’t answer a simple question when asked:
Who’d you put in his place that’s running with a chance to win?
You’d rather clown about and pretend to be outraged over something you didn’t even know was a thing prior to last October. We’ve all see you before. Every four years. We’re used to this shit as it’s never anything new.
I don’t take you seriously.
You're intentionally ignoring why I have no solution at this point. Because all other solutions have been eliminated. That's how you people work. You trash and undermine our every attempt at change and then when they're all defeated and we start saying we're not motivated to vote you play this fucking game like it wasn't you fighting us every step of the way.
The why is irrelevant. You can whine all you want but everyone here seems know that unless you offer a solution, you’re here in bad faith.
And you’ve been asked who you’d put up as a solution to solve the problem, and you provide nothing but excuses.
I’ve gotten you to say what I needed people to see you say. There’s no more purpose to this discussion.
Yes I'm sure this is exactly how you evaluated the situation in 2016. I'm sure you had a perfect solution for what to do after Trump was elected right? Of course not. You blamed people for not voting for HRC. You're a hypocrite.
In the same way I have no solution now that Biden was elected in the 2020 primaries. The stupidity of that move cannot be overstated. The fact that you don't want to talk about it tells me everything I need to know about you.
You're the only one doing that with your "I have no solution". Well the rest of us all so have a solution. Vote for Dems because that is the one and only way possible to move to the left.
No the only way possible to move to the left is to not vote for procorporate trash in the primaries. You made shit decisions in the past and here we are.
Like when he was one of the few senators to vote against he first Iraq War in 1993?
This is on purpose. Building confidence is hard. Destroying it is easy. Plenty of domestic and foreign actors are heavily invested in mudding Waters surrounding biden. In hopes of him failing. Their candidates getting elected. Which is turning out even easier for them seeing as our corporate publicly traded media is eagerly assisting them.
The fascists will fall in line and vote for whoever they're offered. Simply because they've been told the opposite would be worse. Unfortunately the Democratic party is much more a coalition party of many disparate groups many who don't see a lot of representation. Preferring to fall in love rather than falling in line. And they are Their Own Worst Enemy because of that.
And even though it's a low bar. If I didn't Administration has delivered some of the biggest wins for labor in the last 100 years. He certainly not perfect. But the alternatives are absolutely worse. The question is are we going to be able to get our s*** together and not let ourselves be manipulated again.