The shady world of Brave selling copyrighted data for AI training

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i still don't get why there aren't more firefox based browsers, i'm on librewolf, but there aren't as many firefox based alternatives, as there are for chromium. why ?

Ironically, Brave tried to be Firefox based in their early days but they ultimately decided Chromium would meet their needs better so they switched over.

is it their extensions ? why ? i just... i've been searching for hour now, i don't know why...

They go into detail on their blog: https://brave.com/the-road-to-brave-one-dot-zero/

so, if i'm reading it right, they just kind of got into electron and sticked with it ? i get that mozilla is no saint with firefox, but... i don't know man, i'd've been more likely to try to brave if it was ff based...

Hoping manifest v3 ends up being enough of a problem for adblockers that it pushes them to consider moving to firefox.

Brave has already confirmed that their ad blocker isn’t implemented as an extension. It’s not affected by the changeover

its referring to their search engine's ai summarizer feature, i found an article when searching op's title, quite a low effort post really since only an image was shared and no link to any article.. or any description whatsoever.

I actually use 5 different browsers:

  • Brave for work (need Chromium/Workspace integrations)
  • Mullvad for most things not work
  • LibreWolf simply because Mullvad can't be set as default
  • Ferdium for convenient containers for sites I am regularly logged into
  • Tor for "sensitive" browsing

Ferdium Are you saying Ferdium runs sites in isolated containers so it won't recognize when I'm logged into another app via cookies?

It just sandboxes your various logins to prevent leaking your browsing habits.

Firefox can do this too so it should work with librewolf too, no?

I heard chromium is easier to work with than gecko.

I heard the same - over a decade ago.

Not disagreeing with you, although that information might be outdated. But the fact that you don't see, e.g. , applications that use gecko to embed web content, speaks volumes. I get the feeling that their codebase is very monolithic.

I would really like to hear from a current or former contributor though.

On the chromium side, there is the Chromium Embedded Framework (CEF) which is used absolutely everywhere. Not sure about gecko situation though, but at least their JavaScript engine, SpiderMonkey, also has quite widespread use. I don't think I've seen projects not related with Mozilla/Firefox that use gecko though, but perhaps it's because I never look hard enough. It's usually either WebKit or CEF.

I believe libxul is their approach to having gecko as a separate library for others to use.

If someone can explain to me why librewolf refuses to display the specialized font characters that most websites use for necessary navigation symbols, I'll go back to using it. But all of my research suggests it was a problem only I was having, and it genuinely made some websites unusable.

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