System76 or Framework laptop?

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Look, we know System76 laptops are based as fuck. I mean, Coreboot, Open source firmware, PopOS, and a fucking open source mobo in the works, just so fucking based.

But man, these framework laptops look cool too. Completely modular and easy to work on. Looks like the company has proved it isn't going to go under anytime soon.

I'm debating what to get once I feel like upgrading from the trusty ol ThinkPad. What would you buy?

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I still don't understand. what does it mean?

From wikipedia:

The number 76 in the company name is a reference to 1776, the year the American Revolution took place. Richell explained that the company hoped to spark an "open source revolution", giving consumers a choice to not use proprietary software.

That doesn't sound bad to me at all.

I find it very weird and it feels very nationalist/right-wing. In other countries the USA does not bring the concept of "freedom" to mind and, whilst it may be fine to Americans, doesn't really make me want to get involved with them as a potential international customer.

Right wingers would have stuck with the monarchy.

Not that I think necessarily the left/right wing divide as we currently know it can be applied to history like that but I'm not so sure we can categorise the hyper-religious separatists as not being right wing at all. Either way, history isn't the point here, the association many have of the kinds of people that tout "1776" everywhere tends to be the wife-beater wearing, massive pickup toting, 2fa enthusiasts obsessed with tramping people's rights in the name of "muh freedums".

Everyone was religious back then if they wanted to have any success. You were either religious or pretended to be. Why do you think Thomas Paine is the only Founding Father not to have a monument.

Well yeah... but these were people who thought the church reforms weren't enough for them and wanted to make the entire country more "godly" by purging all traces of catholicsm and then leaving to cross an entire ocean to set up a new godly society.

Different groups. The Freemasons, which is a real group, but not as occult as pop culture would have you believe, had more to do with the founding of the US. Freemasons also had connections with the French Revolution.

The Puritans are the group you're describing.

Correct, I'm describing the puritans. Either way it has nothing to do with the current association of what "1776" looks like to outside parties which is what this is about - not a discussion on who did what a couple of hundred years ago.

You are imposing a political view onto people who you have never talked to politics to for your own sake.

For my own sake? All I did was state my opinion on the matter (and mention of others that I know share this same opnion) of what kind of mental imagry 1776 brings up as opposed to what the company seem to intend. What on earth do I get out of sharing such an opinion? It isn't like I have shares in a competing brand where I will benefit from swaying people's opnions on System 76.

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Gonna be honest: as an american, with the political situation around here right now, it does make me feel less comfortable with them as a company knowing that

Although I preordered the framework 16", so I'm not exactly in the market for a new Laptop rn anyway

They registered the domain in 2003 and started selling in 2005. I don’t think it is fair to apply current right wing rhetoric to a name selected 20 years ago when it was more neutral (as were flags).

If they start marketing Proud Boy Linux I might reconsider that stance.

I won’t buy from them because their main software guy said some stupid stuff a while ago when he was mad at gnome and it came across as both inaccurate and needlessly antagonistic.

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1776 apparently (year of the american revolution)

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