If you are in a similar situation... remember that you don't have to say "yes" to everything at work! It's the professional thing to say "no" when it's appropriate instead of overworking yourself and lowering the quality of your work.
You have a very privileged job if you're just allowed to just tell your employer no when they want more work out of you...
If my workload means I consistently have to put in more than 8 hours a day, it's my responsibility to report that. I have a contract for 40 hours a week, I'm not a slave.
You can report whatever you want. There's no assurance your employer will give a shit. The subject of this conversation was likely not on a 40 hour contract.
I mean... Yes there is? The law?
Don't know what country you live in but not in the US.
So do you believe contracts in the US are unenforceable, or...?
No, I believe 99% of Americans don't HAVE employment contracts, and further that this kind of clause would be impossible to enforce because you'd have to somehow prove that 40 hours was not enough time to do your work, which is impossible.
Maybe this is the socialist European in me, but I can't believe that. Without a contract, the employer isn't obligated to pay you at all and you're not obligated to work.
Even if it's just sealed with a handshake, there is a legal framework for both parties. If you just treat it all like an EULA and say whatever, just let me work for you and it'll work out, then that's your problem.
Maybe this is the socialist European in me, but I can't believe that.
I dunno what to tell you bud but it's 1000% true. I've had a dozen jobs and never had a contract.
Without a contract, the employer isn't obligated to pay you
Yes, they are.
Even if it's just sealed with a handshake, there is a legal framework for both parties.
Handshakes are not legally binding, nor are verbal contracts.
Employment contracts in the US are quite rare. 49 out of 50 state are at-will employment (Montana being the exception), so they can fire you for any or no reason, excluding a small list of illegal reasons.
Then I'll start looking for another job... What kind of absolute dead end jobs are you guys working, that you have to be completely spineless? No wonder that conditions are getting worse and worse.
Lots of people have shitty jobs with shitty employers. That's just the way the world is. Not everyone gets to pick from their lot of potential employers.
A lot of folks here haven't actually entered the real world yet.
A lot of folks are also missing a backbone.
It is your duty to at least state how much work you already have and let the boss decide what to do.
I had a boss who acknowledged it and told me that it's fine if i'm not too accurate for couple of things.
Not saying anything, burning out and just delivering shit work non-stop isn't going to help either you or the employee,
your job is to do your best and your boss has to figure out the rest.
Although i have to say i quit that job, because doing half-assed work is nothing which fulfills me.
What makes you think she didn't do that?
I didn't say she didn't do any of that, considering her story, it wasn't just the workload, nothing to gain from an environment this toxic.
If you have any legal grounds to stand on, use it.
I think it's kinda weird there is not one proof of it happening yet, not a recording or anyone talking for or against it, we'll see how things turn out.
Not weird at all. If true, it would be unsurprising if they were hiding any documentation of it.
I expect, if true, there will be more whistleblowers shortly.
Idk, that's a very core part of our company's culture.
I'm a SWE at a manufacturing company, so I'm certainly in a privileged group. However, the whole company has been pushing the narrative of empowering individuals to say no (i.e. the andon cord at Toyota). And given how frequently it's brought up in company emails (esp. in incident analysis communications), I have reason to believe it's actually being done at the plants. Our company's #1 stated priority is safety (due to the nature of the products we produce), and saying "no" is a huge part of that. We as SWEs have complete power to say "no" (we make our own estimations for work), and I believe our manufacturing workers have a similar ability to manage their workload.
If you are in a similar situation... remember that you don't have to say "yes" to everything at work! It's the professional thing to say "no" when it's appropriate instead of overworking yourself and lowering the quality of your work.
You have a very privileged job if you're just allowed to just tell your employer no when they want more work out of you...
If my workload means I consistently have to put in more than 8 hours a day, it's my responsibility to report that. I have a contract for 40 hours a week, I'm not a slave.
You can report whatever you want. There's no assurance your employer will give a shit. The subject of this conversation was likely not on a 40 hour contract.
I mean... Yes there is? The law?
Don't know what country you live in but not in the US.
So do you believe contracts in the US are unenforceable, or...?
No, I believe 99% of Americans don't HAVE employment contracts, and further that this kind of clause would be impossible to enforce because you'd have to somehow prove that 40 hours was not enough time to do your work, which is impossible.
Maybe this is the socialist European in me, but I can't believe that. Without a contract, the employer isn't obligated to pay you at all and you're not obligated to work. Even if it's just sealed with a handshake, there is a legal framework for both parties. If you just treat it all like an EULA and say whatever, just let me work for you and it'll work out, then that's your problem.
I dunno what to tell you bud but it's 1000% true. I've had a dozen jobs and never had a contract.
Yes, they are.
Handshakes are not legally binding, nor are verbal contracts.
Employment contracts in the US are quite rare. 49 out of 50 state are at-will employment (Montana being the exception), so they can fire you for any or no reason, excluding a small list of illegal reasons.
Then I'll start looking for another job... What kind of absolute dead end jobs are you guys working, that you have to be completely spineless? No wonder that conditions are getting worse and worse.
Lots of people have shitty jobs with shitty employers. That's just the way the world is. Not everyone gets to pick from their lot of potential employers.
A lot of folks here haven't actually entered the real world yet.
A lot of folks are also missing a backbone.
It is your duty to at least state how much work you already have and let the boss decide what to do.
I had a boss who acknowledged it and told me that it's fine if i'm not too accurate for couple of things.
Not saying anything, burning out and just delivering shit work non-stop isn't going to help either you or the employee, your job is to do your best and your boss has to figure out the rest.
Although i have to say i quit that job, because doing half-assed work is nothing which fulfills me.
What makes you think she didn't do that?
I didn't say she didn't do any of that, considering her story, it wasn't just the workload, nothing to gain from an environment this toxic. If you have any legal grounds to stand on, use it.
I think it's kinda weird there is not one proof of it happening yet, not a recording or anyone talking for or against it, we'll see how things turn out.
Not weird at all. If true, it would be unsurprising if they were hiding any documentation of it.
I expect, if true, there will be more whistleblowers shortly.
Idk, that's a very core part of our company's culture.
I'm a SWE at a manufacturing company, so I'm certainly in a privileged group. However, the whole company has been pushing the narrative of empowering individuals to say no (i.e. the andon cord at Toyota). And given how frequently it's brought up in company emails (esp. in incident analysis communications), I have reason to believe it's actually being done at the plants. Our company's #1 stated priority is safety (due to the nature of the products we produce), and saying "no" is a huge part of that. We as SWEs have complete power to say "no" (we make our own estimations for work), and I believe our manufacturing workers have a similar ability to manage their workload.