Regardless of his intentions, it's very aggravating how many of his clearly combative comments stay up despite "no trolling" being in rule 4.
I frankly do not understand why we have the rule if it is never going to be enforced. Is there question among our mod team about what constitutes trolling?
Looking through the modlog though, the only rule 4 enforcement seems to be low-effort stuff. High-effort trolling appears to be completely welcome in this community, which I just do not understand. But I'm contemplating beginning to take advantage of it. I can piss people off with subtle, passive-aggressive personal digs and logical fallacies while maintaining a veneer of civility too. It's been a lot of years, but I'm sure it'll come right back to me.
The only thing that really bothers me is that they put zero effort into rationally justifying their opinions. "Muh, my opinion, no matter how irrational and unfounded, is just as valid as yours!". That kind of dishonest deflection is trolling but I abhor dragging mods into it unless it is necessary. I can deal with trolling.
Yeah, that's an evolution from his earlier style. Note that he often subtly flips it to something personal though. Just pay attention to how often he talks about "you" and "them". He seldom addresses facts or arguments, instead he addresses people. Individuals and groups.
What frustrates me is there is enough trolling on social media already, we should not be condoning it by simply allowing it here, in what is usually a more mature Lemmy space. We don't need more internet-ey behavior on the internet, there's already plenty everywhere.
Look at this trying to apply speech impediments to attack OP.
I cant believe OP is supporting a different party because he doesnt like yours. What a troll
OP has shown their intentions are vengeance against Dems for perceived slights.
Yep, thanks to you, I guess maybe Harris has just lost another vote.
I was on the fence because of all the thoughtful courteous replies I was getting, but now...
Guess ya should have been nicer. Oh well. :)
Lol, there's no way in hell your decision on how to vote was ever going to be swayed by the civility of Lemmy comments
Lol, there’s no way in hell your decision on how to vote was ever going to be swayed by the civility of Lemmy comments
He said my "intentions are vengeance against Dems for perceived slights," then posted a link to my conversation with him where I said democrats should be nicer and not such jerks to people who don't agree with them. Then as a result of that comment, he revealed that as his big "gotcha!' and quoted it as saying he found the real me.
Are you saying he's wrong?!
Others have implied that I'm not even American, that I can't even vote, and that I am doing Russia's bidding. Are they wrong too?!
So is it actually possible that I am not voting for democrats because of my personal ideology after all?!
Hmmmm....
Knock it off with the straw mans. YOU obviously won't change your mind, but that doesn't mean you aren't trying to convince others... out of a desire for revenge.
YOU obviously won’t change your mind,
But wait, you made this big show and dance about how I MUST be doing this out of revenge, and you quoted our conversation? https://lemmy.world/comment/12396020
So I'm confused. What revenge are we talking about? Because maybe you know something I don't?
Your words, not mine.
Your exact words were "OP has shown their intentions are vengeance against Dems for perceived slights." and you linked to our conversation.
I encourage you to vote for whomever you see fit. Write in Frank Zappa.
I encourage you to vote for whomever you see fit.
Thank you! I’m voting for the candidate who best aligns with my values. I respect your choice to support whoever you believe in, and I encourage you to do the same!
Oh I will! I will be voting for Harris, a candidate that can actually win. I'm excited about it! 😊
Good for you. I'm not voting for her, but I support your right to vote for her! :)
...among Muslim voters
Yes. But I didn't write the headline. I think it's a misleading headline, but we aren't allowed to change when we post.
So if mods decide to delete article due to the editorial choice that the news org made, I am fine with that decision.
I think it's a misleading headline, but we aren't allowed to change when we post.
Incorrect.
Rule 1 from the sidebar(emphasis, mine):
Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive
She’s lost any credibility after that radio interview.
The interview didn't make me change my mind about her.
It really doesn't.
People can think it's awful at the same time they can't do anything about it because IT'S NOT WITHIN US CONTROL.
We could stop sending them weapons. Then we could stop sending them financial aid. Then we could sanction them. Its pretty entirely in US control, Israels existence always has been
Yup. That's exactly how national alliances are made. This ideal worked so fucking well after WWII, Korea, Vietname, Iraq 1 & 2, Afghanistan.
Holy shit, we have an amazing strategist on our hands here! Let's get this person to the negotiation table ASAP!!!
Theyre committing genocide, any support is endorsement
Okay, right. So anyone selling ammunition to a country of any type, cool.
Turns out that all countries do this, so you're just mad at the world.
A country using that ammunition to commit genocide??
Yeah, like any other Middle East conflict? Russia, China, Brazil, Peru, and most of the continental African countries all make and sell munitions to Israel.
What exactly is your point?
...all of that just reinforces my disdain for arming a genocidal country? Did you think I was gonna go "oh well if China and Russia are doing it must be good"
But even whatever point you're trying to make bringing them up wouldnt hold up anyway because compared to the US they do not provide a fraction of the financial and military support the US does.
OP has shown their intentions are vengeance against Dems for perceived slights. Keep this agenda in mind if you read their BS articles.
Regardless of his intentions, it's very aggravating how many of his clearly combative comments stay up despite "no trolling" being in rule 4.
I frankly do not understand why we have the rule if it is never going to be enforced. Is there question among our mod team about what constitutes trolling?
Looking through the modlog though, the only rule 4 enforcement seems to be low-effort stuff. High-effort trolling appears to be completely welcome in this community, which I just do not understand. But I'm contemplating beginning to take advantage of it. I can piss people off with subtle, passive-aggressive personal digs and logical fallacies while maintaining a veneer of civility too. It's been a lot of years, but I'm sure it'll come right back to me.
The only thing that really bothers me is that they put zero effort into rationally justifying their opinions. "Muh, my opinion, no matter how irrational and unfounded, is just as valid as yours!". That kind of dishonest deflection is trolling but I abhor dragging mods into it unless it is necessary. I can deal with trolling.
Yeah, that's an evolution from his earlier style. Note that he often subtly flips it to something personal though. Just pay attention to how often he talks about "you" and "them". He seldom addresses facts or arguments, instead he addresses people. Individuals and groups.
What frustrates me is there is enough trolling on social media already, we should not be condoning it by simply allowing it here, in what is usually a more mature Lemmy space. We don't need more internet-ey behavior on the internet, there's already plenty everywhere.
Look at this trying to apply speech impediments to attack OP.
I cant believe OP is supporting a different party because he doesnt like yours. What a troll
Yep, thanks to you, I guess maybe Harris has just lost another vote.
I was on the fence because of all the thoughtful courteous replies I was getting, but now...
Guess ya should have been nicer. Oh well. :)
Lol, there's no way in hell your decision on how to vote was ever going to be swayed by the civility of Lemmy comments
But that's what @Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win is implying: https://lemmy.world/comment/12396020
He said my "intentions are vengeance against Dems for perceived slights," then posted a link to my conversation with him where I said democrats should be nicer and not such jerks to people who don't agree with them. Then as a result of that comment, he revealed that as his big "gotcha!' and quoted it as saying he found the real me.
Are you saying he's wrong?!
Others have implied that I'm not even American, that I can't even vote, and that I am doing Russia's bidding. Are they wrong too?!
So is it actually possible that I am not voting for democrats because of my personal ideology after all?!
Hmmmm....
Knock it off with the straw mans. YOU obviously won't change your mind, but that doesn't mean you aren't trying to convince others... out of a desire for revenge.
But wait, you made this big show and dance about how I MUST be doing this out of revenge, and you quoted our conversation? https://lemmy.world/comment/12396020
So I'm confused. What revenge are we talking about? Because maybe you know something I don't?
Your words, not mine.
Your exact words were "OP has shown their intentions are vengeance against Dems for perceived slights." and you linked to our conversation.
What "perceived slights" are you talking about?
I don’t have to explain anything to you. Thanks.
I encourage you to vote for whomever you see fit. Write in Frank Zappa.
Thank you! I’m voting for the candidate who best aligns with my values. I respect your choice to support whoever you believe in, and I encourage you to do the same!
Oh I will! I will be voting for Harris, a candidate that can actually win. I'm excited about it! 😊
Good for you. I'm not voting for her, but I support your right to vote for her! :)
...among Muslim voters
Yes. But I didn't write the headline. I think it's a misleading headline, but we aren't allowed to change when we post.
So if mods decide to delete article due to the editorial choice that the news org made, I am fine with that decision.
Incorrect.
Rule 1 from the sidebar(emphasis, mine):
She’s lost any credibility after that radio interview.
The interview didn't make me change my mind about her.
It really doesn't.
People can think it's awful at the same time they can't do anything about it because IT'S NOT WITHIN US CONTROL.
We could stop sending them weapons. Then we could stop sending them financial aid. Then we could sanction them. Its pretty entirely in US control, Israels existence always has been
Yup. That's exactly how national alliances are made. This ideal worked so fucking well after WWII, Korea, Vietname, Iraq 1 & 2, Afghanistan.
Holy shit, we have an amazing strategist on our hands here! Let's get this person to the negotiation table ASAP!!!
Theyre committing genocide, any support is endorsement
Okay, right. So anyone selling ammunition to a country of any type, cool.
Turns out that all countries do this, so you're just mad at the world.
A country using that ammunition to commit genocide??
Yeah, like any other Middle East conflict? Russia, China, Brazil, Peru, and most of the continental African countries all make and sell munitions to Israel.
What exactly is your point?
...all of that just reinforces my disdain for arming a genocidal country? Did you think I was gonna go "oh well if China and Russia are doing it must be good"
But even whatever point you're trying to make bringing them up wouldnt hold up anyway because compared to the US they do not provide a fraction of the financial and military support the US does.
Actually, trying to look up the relevant figures, your claim is an outright lie, none of those countries are even on the list of arms supplies to Israel https://www.reuters.com/world/who-are-israels-main-weapons-suppliers-who-has-halted-exports-2024-05-09/
Well then your anger is misplaced
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