I suspect that Times of Isreal carefully select what is shown, skewing perception. Even so, how far would we each need to be pushed before fighting back or supporting the fight back?
Israel is fighting for its life. You're not going to see a lot of half measures. Because of its stance that Israel should not exist, if Hamas wins there will be no Israel. However, Israel has never taken the position that a Palestinian state should not exist and has tried on multiple occaisons to help create one.
Israel is fighting for its life.
What hogwash. As if Hamas presents an actual threat to Israel's existence?
Channel 12 sent one of their primetime anchors into Gaza. 3 minutes into the video he walks through a biology classroom, steps outside a door and shows the munitions depot in the room nextdoor. No need to understand Arabic or Hebrew.
These aren't isolated incidents, although I'm sure they were chosen to be highlighted because they're the clearest cut ones. Like the rocket launchers in the youth center.
There are likely more, so perhaps if you'd care to share what you mean by independent it will help
Downvoted because it doesn't fit the Israeli-apartheid-Hamas-freedom-fighters narrative. Good job lemmy...
I downvoted it for being an obviously biased propaganda piece.
How is it biased propaganda exactly? This is one of many examples I've seen throughout the last two weeks. It's not an isolated incident by any means.
... did you read it?
Love how this is getting downvoated because it doesn't support the Hamas terrorists' propaganda.
I hate Hamas but this is just rage bait made to make you completely dehumanize the enemy, to make you OK with all the civilian Palestinian deaths in this war. It has no place in a news oriented community.
What are you talking about? How is this article rage bait? How would the article have to be different in your opinion?
They pretty calmly explained where they found tunnels and what they found in them.
First the headline is
"[..] find how low Hamas can go"
And it's not referring to the depth of the tunnel. From the get go it's framing the "news" as evidence of Hamas being evil. Something we need no proof of after the countless atrocities they've committed, so the purpose, intended or otherwise is something else.
Then:
"Combat Engineering Corps’ 614th Battalion as they carried out a second round of sweeps in a single-family home — with an outdoor swimming pool — in an upscale beachside neighborhood."
Pointing out the swimming pool which is not necessary at all is text book to make your enemy seem amoral.
"soldiers had found a portal to where monsters were hiding."
Cute comparison to monsters under the bed or just a convenient way to get away with calling them monsters outright? Which while it holds true is not some objective fact that needs stating and is indisputably dehumanizing.
“It’s not ethical, the way that Hamas works,”
No shit Sherlock, we're talking about terrorists with more than 1000 civilians dead in just one attack. But here he's talking about hiding a tunnel in a kids room. Hardly the worst of their crimes. It's just to drum up feelings.
"With tendrils of underground fortifications running beneath crowded residential neighborhoods, the army says it has little choice but to bring the fight to the homes, hospitals, schools and clinics believed to shield the network."
Very overt way to say "it's OK that we bomb civilians, we need to to fight Hamas!" It's dangerous clearing tunnels yes, and it's very risk free to just bomb the ever living shit out of every building "believed to shield the network".
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“We scan thoroughly, and there is intelligence, and the intelligence is very good. And there are means by which we both locate and destroy [the tunnels],” Adoniram said."
Not good enough to see the Oct 7 attack come but good enough to target hospitals huh? I don't really buy it.
"Many had fled south or were sheltering at schools or hospitals. By the UN’s estimate, some 1.5 million of Gaza’s population of over 2 million was internally displaced."
The same schools and hospitals they then bomb, leading to the thousands of dead civilians.
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He had heard tell of an incident in which civilians who approached troops to ask for water had been used as cover for gunmen to open fire at the soldiers
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Stuff like that needs to be precise, I don't necessarily doubt it but why isn't it confirmed fact but "had heard tell"? Why is it in the news? Why didn't they ask the source to confirm it?
I hope that explains why I see it as rage bait.
Just the headline is reason enough not to click.
The IDF has indicated it does not have plans to engage in tunnel warfare, as the passages are likely to be booby-trapped. Instead, it is demolishing the tunnels as they are being found.
Ahh, i thought the ground invasion is about saving hostage...
Look at that funny little soldier. I woulda thought he’d be too small to be in teh army.
I suspect that Times of Isreal carefully select what is shown, skewing perception. Even so, how far would we each need to be pushed before fighting back or supporting the fight back?
Israel is fighting for its life. You're not going to see a lot of half measures. Because of its stance that Israel should not exist, if Hamas wins there will be no Israel. However, Israel has never taken the position that a Palestinian state should not exist and has tried on multiple occaisons to help create one.
What hogwash. As if Hamas presents an actual threat to Israel's existence?
Channel 12 sent one of their primetime anchors into Gaza. 3 minutes into the video he walks through a biology classroom, steps outside a door and shows the munitions depot in the room nextdoor. No need to understand Arabic or Hebrew.
These aren't isolated incidents, although I'm sure they were chosen to be highlighted because they're the clearest cut ones. Like the rocket launchers in the youth center.
Not an independent journalist then?
CNN also embedded a journalist.
So did Times of Israel.
There are likely more, so perhaps if you'd care to share what you mean by independent it will help
Downvoted because it doesn't fit the Israeli-apartheid-Hamas-freedom-fighters narrative. Good job lemmy...
I downvoted it for being an obviously biased propaganda piece.
How is it biased propaganda exactly? This is one of many examples I've seen throughout the last two weeks. It's not an isolated incident by any means.
... did you read it?
Love how this is getting downvoated because it doesn't support the Hamas terrorists' propaganda.
I hate Hamas but this is just rage bait made to make you completely dehumanize the enemy, to make you OK with all the civilian Palestinian deaths in this war. It has no place in a news oriented community.
What are you talking about? How is this article rage bait? How would the article have to be different in your opinion?
They pretty calmly explained where they found tunnels and what they found in them.
First the headline is
"[..] find how low Hamas can go"
And it's not referring to the depth of the tunnel. From the get go it's framing the "news" as evidence of Hamas being evil. Something we need no proof of after the countless atrocities they've committed, so the purpose, intended or otherwise is something else.
Then:
"Combat Engineering Corps’ 614th Battalion as they carried out a second round of sweeps in a single-family home — with an outdoor swimming pool — in an upscale beachside neighborhood."
Pointing out the swimming pool which is not necessary at all is text book to make your enemy seem amoral.
"soldiers had found a portal to where monsters were hiding."
Cute comparison to monsters under the bed or just a convenient way to get away with calling them monsters outright? Which while it holds true is not some objective fact that needs stating and is indisputably dehumanizing.
“It’s not ethical, the way that Hamas works,”
No shit Sherlock, we're talking about terrorists with more than 1000 civilians dead in just one attack. But here he's talking about hiding a tunnel in a kids room. Hardly the worst of their crimes. It's just to drum up feelings.
"With tendrils of underground fortifications running beneath crowded residential neighborhoods, the army says it has little choice but to bring the fight to the homes, hospitals, schools and clinics believed to shield the network."
Very overt way to say "it's OK that we bomb civilians, we need to to fight Hamas!" It's dangerous clearing tunnels yes, and it's very risk free to just bomb the ever living shit out of every building "believed to shield the network".
" “We scan thoroughly, and there is intelligence, and the intelligence is very good. And there are means by which we both locate and destroy [the tunnels],” Adoniram said."
Not good enough to see the Oct 7 attack come but good enough to target hospitals huh? I don't really buy it.
"Many had fled south or were sheltering at schools or hospitals. By the UN’s estimate, some 1.5 million of Gaza’s population of over 2 million was internally displaced."
The same schools and hospitals they then bomb, leading to the thousands of dead civilians.
"
He had heard tell of an incident in which civilians who approached troops to ask for water had been used as cover for gunmen to open fire at the soldiers "
Stuff like that needs to be precise, I don't necessarily doubt it but why isn't it confirmed fact but "had heard tell"? Why is it in the news? Why didn't they ask the source to confirm it?
I hope that explains why I see it as rage bait.
Just the headline is reason enough not to click.
Ahh, i thought the ground invasion is about saving hostage...
Look at that funny little soldier. I woulda thought he’d be too small to be in teh army.