Supreme Court Says Yes, Biz Owners Can Discriminate Against Gay People

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Time for another round of the Supreme Court’s newest game show: Who Should Be Discriminated Against Next? On Friday, the court decided 6 to 3 in the case of 303 Creative v. Aubrey Elenis, agreeing that the First Amendment protects website designers who choose to discriminate based on their clients’ sexual orientation.

The case centered on a Colorado-based web designer who has proclaimed she did not wish to make wedding sites for gay couples because of her religious beliefs. The decision comes just a day after the court offered decisions that could potentially shield cyberstalkers from prosecution and gut affirmative action in colleges.

In the majority opinion, Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote: “The First Amendment prohibits Colorado from forcing a website designer to create expressive designs speaking messages with which the designer disagrees.”

In a dissenting opinion, Justice Sonia Sotomayor decried the “heartbreaking” majority opinion for opening up discrimination against a “protected class.” She said that the “backlash to the movement for liberty and equality for gender and sexual minorities” has led to “reactionary exclusion.”

The case goes back to 2016, when founder of graphic design firm 303 Creative LLC Lorie Smith said she wished to decline to offer any wedding website services to same-sex couples. She and the conservative Christian advocacy group Alliance Defending Freedom sued in federal court against Colorado’s Anti-Discrimination Act. The law prevents businesses from discriminating against patrons or even using any communication that implies certain people are unwelcome based on sex, gender, race, and so on. The Supreme Court agreed to hear the case in September last year.

The thing is, the case has long been controversial because parts of its premise are—well—ludicrous. For one, Smith did not have any messages discriminating against same sex couples on her site at the time she helped file the original lawsuit. Much of the case’s arguments revolved around other, similar litigation from “artists” demanding that they can discriminate against gay couples like the infamous decision in Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission. Reports from inside the courtroom saw justices argue back and forth about First Amendment implications, with conservative justice Samuel Alito making points about similar discrimination based on religion.

The original petition in 303 Creative v. Aubrey Elenis references a gay couple only referred to as Stewart and Mike. According to the doc, the pair contacted Colorado-based web designer Smith in 2016 to help make a website for their wedding and said they “would love some design work for our invites, place-names,” as well as potentially a website.

As The New Republic reported the day before SCOTUS’ decision, the person named Stewart listed in the court docs never sent that inquiry. At the time he supposedly sent it, he had been married to a woman for around a decade. For some reason, the person who was only referred to as Stewart had his name, email, and phone listed on the petition even though he had no real connection to it. He wasn’t even living in the same state as Smith when he supposedly asked for website help.

According to court docs, that inquiry from Stewart was sent just a day after the ADF helped Smith file the suit. The New Republic noted that the inquiry wasn’t included in the original lawsuit, but was only added after defendants tried to get the suit dismissed on the grounds Smith hadn’t suffered any real injury.

In a statement to The Guardian, the ADF called their suit “a pre-enforcement lawsuit, a hallmark of civil rights litigation, because no one should have to wait to be punished before challenging an unjust law.”

The lawsuit was originally dismissed in September 2017, but Smith and the ADF appealed. While the court had cast doubt that Stewart and Mike were by necessity both men, the ADF complained the likelihood they weren’t was “miniscule.” The SCOTUS petition harped on the Stewart inquiry as one of the only real examples of a gay couple seeking a marriage website from Smith.

Even if Stewart was making up his claims, it’s the only example the case used to say that this would indeed be a problem for web designers with certain discriminatory religious views. This case was just an extension of Masterpiece Cakeshop, though with the added intent of enshrining the ability to discriminate services online. Now, despite all that, anti-gay evangelists can publicly proclaim they don’t offer services to gay people online.

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I think I have to agree with the law, even if I don't agree with the result. The Supreme Court isn't supposed to legislate from the bench. I feel like Congress should amend the Civil Rights Act and add LGBTQ people to the protected groups. Otherwise these SCOTUS decision will just bounce back and forth between progressive and regressive (current MAGA court) courts.

A broken court not reflecting a broken congress. The court killed off student loan forgiveness and affirmative action this week knowing full well congress is so split that it can’t do anything to fix any real issues. The court has been acting blatantly political (I’m not sure on this issue exactly but definitely on others).

Yes it's unfortunate that American law makers refuse to actually make laws and instead get judges to issue rulings that act like laws.

Need to read the decision but can I now reject paying a Christian company because charity is a core belief of their Religion and im an Atheist?

It’s unfortunate that the SCOTUS sees religion at a higher priority than human rights.

This ruling was not based on religion.

Basically, if your job involves messaging, then you can refuse to produce messages you don't agree with. It doesn't necessarily have to do with religion.

For example, suppose a Russian hired you to make a pro-Putin website. You can refuse, even if there is a state law barring discrimination by national origin.

This only applies to messaging. If the same Russian wanted to eat at your restaurant or stay in your hotel, you cannot refuse on the basis of his ethnicity.

They might say they’re following the rule of law. But overturning a precedent set years before seems suspect, especially when the justices are stacked in as conservatives who were put in by people with biases heavily set on religious views.

There are plenty of recent examples of the SCOTUS inappropriately making up new religious rights. But this is not one of them. The court even pointed out that their decision could be used against religious expression.

For example, if a Christian asked an atheist to design a "He gets us" ad, then previously the atheist might have violated the law if he refused (since religion is a protected class). According to the new SCOTUS ruling, the atheist cannot be punished for refusing.

What? This is about the refusal of service. I’d never want to serve a Neo-Nazi and, consequently, shouldn’t be forced to make a website for them. I also don’t want to do furry art so I’m not going to accept those kinds of commissions even though I have no hate toward that community. If you’re an atheist and hate Christians you should be able to reject their business and vice versa. If you decide you don’t want to pay Chic-fil-a for the sandwich that’s okay, you just also don’t get the sandwich

Neo Nazis are not a protected class, that’s an absurd comparison.

Some neo-Nazi groups have organized as religious groups, e.g. the "Creativity Movement" aka "World Church of the Creator". If I were in the website-making business, I would like to be legally permitted to choose not to take work from those folks even though they call themselves a religion!

Legally, organizing a previously non-religious group as a religion has worked for acquiring various protections from the US government. See, for example, the reorganization of L. Ron Hubbard's "Dianetics" — originally presented as a form of psychotherapy — into the "Church of Scientology."

The difference being precedent had established that queer people are protected. Nazis aren't.

No-one in the comments seems to have read the ruling. The discrimination is not "based on the client's sexual orientation" at all. It's based on the specific message that the client wanted to display.

If I, as a devout Satanist, believe in a womans sacred right to have an abortion I could refuse to design an anti-abortion website for a Christian group, but I couldn't simply refuse to design a generic website simple because the client is a Christian.

I'm not saying I agree with the ruling, I'm just explaining what it means.