Wouldn't that just be ebay? Or ebay before they began expanding? In most instances nowadays you can buy direct from manufacturer as well, and that's becoming more common as time passes and companies invest in their own distribution infrastructure
Also Etsy.
Fedsy
That's still centralized the same way that Amazon is, they just don't use the same aggressive affiliate program.
A federated marketplace would be like if you could go to one portal and see posts from Target, eBay, craigslist, and Etsy all side by side, and the user could control their search and ranking algorithm instead of the marketplace selling the top spots. I would like that a lot.
Right, I wasn't sure exactly what OP is trying to say and a little more explanation for what they're thinking would be good. But I was thinking the same thing. "Like Walmart, Target, Kmart, the mall..but online?"
I don't think sellers on ebay may host the database server
Oh you mean something like online shopping in general?
I have zero trust in anything decentralized in relation to money. Would definitely like a central authority to complain to when someone scams me. Implementing it like lemmy would make it impossible to effectively ban scammers and would also make searching for stuff annoying as hell. I already hate how annoying it is to search for things on different instances for this stuff.
wouldn't that be mostly an insurance company? The 2 main things that Amazon delivers are fast delivery and hassle free service.
ordered? At your doorstep in a day.
not happy? send it back, no worries
broken after 2 years? Send it back, no worries
I can't see that delivered decentralised without a massive insurance or CoC behind it.
But if: Would be awesome
I completely forgot about the delivery part, thank you
I think decentralizing Amazon is more possible than you think.
The main first step would be breaking apart functions. Amazon controls posting, search and rank, storage, and delivery. You already have many sellers, multiple storage locations, and multiple shipping companies. If posting listings and ordering the search results was out of Amazon's control, and Amazon couldn't wield their power to compel sellers to store at their locations or use their shipping services for a huge fee then we'd already be most of the way there.
A big part of it is logistics. Amazon lets sellers stash things in their warehouses for matching buyers to products and getting it in their hands quick. This is a role that a forward-thinking UPS or FedEx or, if God were real, the USPS could have filled in America.
They also force people into these programs though and take a huge cut of the revenue.
Imagine if there was a second Amazon. Now imagine if both Amazon one and Amazon two were on the same marketplace, and neither had enough power to force sellers to use their services and take whatever deal they offered. Can you imagine how much that would give sellers the power to set their own prices and control their operations and logistics?
I don't know man, I think that the realm of money and commerce does need some higher regulation, at least for security. But I don't know, maybe my brain is still too primitive to get something like that. I would first try social networks and then see if it can be done with money and physical goods.
Or Pinterest / Etsy
Came to say just that...
My go-to method is to find something on Amazon and then see if I can buy it direct from the manufacturer. I may the up paying a little more for shipping, but that's fine.
I don't think any vendor would want their website searchable, as that would drive competition to the lowest priced seller and leave behind the rest. Even on Amazon there may be a dozen vendors for a product but most people don't even look at the other buying options.
What exactly do you mean by that? Like different servers?
One application, different servers and databases, but federated search and users: just like mastodon and lemmy
Like separate websites and stores are like instances that list goods/services in the same system? Could be awesome but sounds way more difficult to implement.
I tried this as a startup (sort of) years ago. A privacy-friendly alternative to Amazon with an aim to bolster small, local businesses. Built the entire thing...nobody was on board. 3 months of development! Wasted!
I'm a bit iffy on the idea, but not strictly opposed to it. How would scammers, returns, payment issues, etc be handled without a strong central authority?
Seems like a smaller, weaker local administration might not be able to handle such.
Legitimate curiosity on my end. I'm open to interpretation and suggestions.
I'm new to this federalized system in terms of social networks. It's been interesting so far.
Yes, but federation would have to be whitelist based.
Didn't we have that before Amazon, and it was patchy, required lots of data entry with new accounts and dubious customer service? Amazon succeeded because everyone else was so bad, and now at least there's better payment handling options than random insecure sites storing credit card information in plaintext, but nobody else comes close to providing the range and convenience of Amazon.
Amazon isn't really a shop - it's a logistic company that also sells stuff.
I suppose it depends on how you define decentralized. I can't imagine some sort of Fediverse-like storefront, only showing sellers on "approved" servers/partners.
If, OTOH, you mean real, meaningful competition to Amazon, then I'm all in. Possibly something like Google Shopping, except good.
I think that would be nice. It would hopefully allow meaningful search and filter. Trying to find spec comparisons on Amazon is terrible, they don't support exclusions, and they basically sort by ads
Wouldn't that just be ebay? Or ebay before they began expanding? In most instances nowadays you can buy direct from manufacturer as well, and that's becoming more common as time passes and companies invest in their own distribution infrastructure
Also Etsy.
Fedsy
That's still centralized the same way that Amazon is, they just don't use the same aggressive affiliate program.
A federated marketplace would be like if you could go to one portal and see posts from Target, eBay, craigslist, and Etsy all side by side, and the user could control their search and ranking algorithm instead of the marketplace selling the top spots. I would like that a lot.
Right, I wasn't sure exactly what OP is trying to say and a little more explanation for what they're thinking would be good. But I was thinking the same thing. "Like Walmart, Target, Kmart, the mall..but online?"
I don't think sellers on ebay may host the database server
Oh you mean something like online shopping in general?
I have zero trust in anything decentralized in relation to money. Would definitely like a central authority to complain to when someone scams me. Implementing it like lemmy would make it impossible to effectively ban scammers and would also make searching for stuff annoying as hell. I already hate how annoying it is to search for things on different instances for this stuff.
wouldn't that be mostly an insurance company? The 2 main things that Amazon delivers are fast delivery and hassle free service. ordered? At your doorstep in a day. not happy? send it back, no worries broken after 2 years? Send it back, no worries
I can't see that delivered decentralised without a massive insurance or CoC behind it. But if: Would be awesome
I completely forgot about the delivery part, thank you
I think decentralizing Amazon is more possible than you think.
The main first step would be breaking apart functions. Amazon controls posting, search and rank, storage, and delivery. You already have many sellers, multiple storage locations, and multiple shipping companies. If posting listings and ordering the search results was out of Amazon's control, and Amazon couldn't wield their power to compel sellers to store at their locations or use their shipping services for a huge fee then we'd already be most of the way there.
A big part of it is logistics. Amazon lets sellers stash things in their warehouses for matching buyers to products and getting it in their hands quick. This is a role that a forward-thinking UPS or FedEx or, if God were real, the USPS could have filled in America.
They also force people into these programs though and take a huge cut of the revenue.
Imagine if there was a second Amazon. Now imagine if both Amazon one and Amazon two were on the same marketplace, and neither had enough power to force sellers to use their services and take whatever deal they offered. Can you imagine how much that would give sellers the power to set their own prices and control their operations and logistics?
I don't know man, I think that the realm of money and commerce does need some higher regulation, at least for security. But I don't know, maybe my brain is still too primitive to get something like that. I would first try social networks and then see if it can be done with money and physical goods.
Or Pinterest / Etsy
Came to say just that...
My go-to method is to find something on Amazon and then see if I can buy it direct from the manufacturer. I may the up paying a little more for shipping, but that's fine.
I don't think any vendor would want their website searchable, as that would drive competition to the lowest priced seller and leave behind the rest. Even on Amazon there may be a dozen vendors for a product but most people don't even look at the other buying options.
What exactly do you mean by that? Like different servers?
One application, different servers and databases, but federated search and users: just like mastodon and lemmy
Like separate websites and stores are like instances that list goods/services in the same system? Could be awesome but sounds way more difficult to implement.
I tried this as a startup (sort of) years ago. A privacy-friendly alternative to Amazon with an aim to bolster small, local businesses. Built the entire thing...nobody was on board. 3 months of development! Wasted!
I'm a bit iffy on the idea, but not strictly opposed to it. How would scammers, returns, payment issues, etc be handled without a strong central authority?
Seems like a smaller, weaker local administration might not be able to handle such.
Legitimate curiosity on my end. I'm open to interpretation and suggestions.
I'm new to this federalized system in terms of social networks. It's been interesting so far.
Yes, but federation would have to be whitelist based.
Didn't we have that before Amazon, and it was patchy, required lots of data entry with new accounts and dubious customer service? Amazon succeeded because everyone else was so bad, and now at least there's better payment handling options than random insecure sites storing credit card information in plaintext, but nobody else comes close to providing the range and convenience of Amazon.
Amazon isn't really a shop - it's a logistic company that also sells stuff.
I suppose it depends on how you define decentralized. I can't imagine some sort of Fediverse-like storefront, only showing sellers on "approved" servers/partners.
If, OTOH, you mean real, meaningful competition to Amazon, then I'm all in. Possibly something like Google Shopping, except good.
I think that would be nice. It would hopefully allow meaningful search and filter. Trying to find spec comparisons on Amazon is terrible, they don't support exclusions, and they basically sort by ads