I use proton and the one thing that I've wanted is a replacement for google docs, while this may only be a notes app I look forward to it being added to proton and may use it outside of just syncing to my proton drive.
I recognize that the adoption of basically outsourced apps seems less desirable than in house proton apps. Will have to see if proton continues to move toward outsourcing further app solutions.
Standard Notes is not a replacement word processor, unless you're exclusively using Google Docs for notes.
It's also already freemium, and the free tier includes E2EE syncing.
How you folks like Obsidian? Works well for me but I haven’t tried much competition
Obsidian is fantastic. I use it for work and also for personal stuff like planning TTRPG sessions. Especially with the plugins that are out there, it's super powerful. Getting into using metadata tags and the Dataview plugin it becomes a pretty amazing knowledge engine.
I've found it to be okay. The plugin system is nice, but the lack of local file sync on iOS is quite bothersome, since I use a self-hosted sync instead.
It basically makes the iOS app unusable for me, and it would be a deal breaker if Obsidian didn't just use markdown documents you can edit with a text editor.
Admittedly, I migrated from Apple Notes and raw text documents, so there isn't much by way of competition.
I have tried a bit of the others, like abusing LaTeX for it, which worked okay, but had a few flaws, like when linking other files, and Trillium, which is interesting, but also uses an SQL database (without mobile support, which didn't work for me).
Turtl was interesting, but when I used it, very beta.
Evernote was okay, but also suffers from the proprietary format. I dropped them after they reduced the device support down to 2/3, so no idea what it's like now.
Onenote was nice with the pen support (only Apple and Samsung notes otherwise have that, as far as I'm aware), but I found it to be quite heavy, and a little unwieldy (in addition to being proprietary).
Onenote also has a strange quirk where it will gradually accumulate copies, so big notes will cause it to grow over time until it starts eating up huge amounts of space on your computer.
I'd encourage you to check out SyncThing; it works great for syncing pretty much anything: I use it for my Obsidian notes and for my KeePass vault.
I currently use BT Sync/Resilio, since it supports selective sync without fiddling with an ignorelist, but it does work, except on Obsidian's iOS app, which supports only icloud, or Obsidian sync.
It is similar to Evernote and you can set up the sync on another service like Dropbox or even your self-hosted solution. You can also pay them a few bucks a month for their hosting services.
Joplin has a good iOS app as well as apps for nearly all other platforms. I migrated from Evernote to Joplin after Evernote practically doubled their prices and then switched their free option down to a single notebook and could not be happier.
Maybe I don’t understand what you mean, but I have an smb share that my phone can always access (via vpn, or when on network). IOS does a good job remembering it, staying connected, and reconnecting between interruptions. I keep my obsidian folder on the share and the iOS app has never had problems finding and connecting to it, just as my desktop and laptop, keeping everything in sync automatically.
Interesting. I don't use Samba, but a different app for syncing, and it's much more of a headache.
Either Obsidian wants you to log into sync, or it helpfully makes a new vault on icloud.
There is not a third option, with their forums suggesting that they weren't going to add one, due to iOS limitations.
That has been my experience with it as well and it is definitely limiting! You can play some games with git and turn your local Obsidian vault into a repository. I sync with WorkingCopy (pro) on iOS.
Awesome, great info thank you
Personally I've been using Anytype. The free version includes I think 2GB of sync storage, which is pretty generous for text notes.
Using it is kinda clunky and unintuitive on a touch screen. Theres a notable lack of touch feedback that makes it weird and imprecise to use. Like pressing and holding on a folder or file doesn’t have any visual indicator that you’re pressing on the correct line, so you have to wait and see what opens. Maybe on a bigger phone this is less of an issue but in my iPhone 15 pro it’s been kind of annoying. Also after like a year or two with the app there’s something about the navigation I don’t like. It just doesn’t follow the usual conventions of what you’d expect from a mobile app.
It feels a lot like how using the desktop version version of a website in a mobile browser does.
First time hearing of this note taking app. How does it compare to obsidian? Is it comparable? I bought a license for obsidian a couple of days ago (using it for work stuff) and now I'm wondering if it's smarter to use this as I already pay for Proton unlimited and I kinda expect this to (somehow) be included the same way they did with SimpleLogin.
I found Standard Notes rather rudimentary compared to Joplin, Obsidian, Logseq and Trilium. I settled on Joplin but the others are fine. Trilium is kinda neat since you can put automations in your notes that act on other notes.
I wish they had gone with something a little more robust than standard notes.
I've used it for years. What's not robust?
It and I might just be at odds about some fundamental aspects of note taking. One of the major problems I have is shared with Protonmail: Folders as a second class feature.
I may be old and tired, but structure is information. Folders are a premium feature, which on its face is laughable - I'm not opposed to paying for software, I pay for the note taking software I use now, but c'mon. For me tags are not a suitable substitution, they are good metadata for sure; particularly for searching but it's a very flat organization system. It could be so much richer.
Missing free-form note metadata. We've got created date and modified date which is good, and an archived flag which is OK. An example I have from my notes is: I take notes during a meeting, sometimes on paper when I'm not in a situation where I have a computer in front of me. When I digitize these notes I assign an attribute to them that is the date the meeting took place, since digitization may not happen until the next day or longer depending on how long it sits on my desk.
Missing templates. I have spent some time putting together rough outline structures for different kinds of notes; release notes, change logs, general meetings, and daily task notes.
Missing note links. I am a big fan of not repeating information in a bunch of places. Doubly so in notes. My first impressions of a thing may be wrong, incomplete, missing context.. and if I can create a note about a thing, and then link back to the thing when I refer to it in other notes it adds a great deal of context and allows for extremely simple revisions.
None of this stuff is mandatory for note taking for sure, but so much value can be derived not just from the content of your notes but the metadata surrounding your notes. When you open the door to this, and you add something like "smart lists" which are more or less just saved search critera.. it helps.
Interesting thoughts and methods, thanks for taking the time. I had interpreted "not robust" as meaning you thought it unreliable. I agree about folders, which is why I opted to pay the subscription
I like Proton and it’s good for us as users that Proton are adding to their service offerings.
But hiding what you’re doing behind corporate cute-speak like this is cringe. You’re not “joining forces”, you acquired them.
I use proton and the one thing that I've wanted is a replacement for google docs, while this may only be a notes app I look forward to it being added to proton and may use it outside of just syncing to my proton drive.
I recognize that the adoption of basically outsourced apps seems less desirable than in house proton apps. Will have to see if proton continues to move toward outsourcing further app solutions.
Standard Notes is not a replacement word processor, unless you're exclusively using Google Docs for notes.
It's also already freemium, and the free tier includes E2EE syncing.
How you folks like Obsidian? Works well for me but I haven’t tried much competition
Obsidian is fantastic. I use it for work and also for personal stuff like planning TTRPG sessions. Especially with the plugins that are out there, it's super powerful. Getting into using metadata tags and the Dataview plugin it becomes a pretty amazing knowledge engine.
I've found it to be okay. The plugin system is nice, but the lack of local file sync on iOS is quite bothersome, since I use a self-hosted sync instead.
It basically makes the iOS app unusable for me, and it would be a deal breaker if Obsidian didn't just use markdown documents you can edit with a text editor.
Admittedly, I migrated from Apple Notes and raw text documents, so there isn't much by way of competition.
I have tried a bit of the others, like abusing LaTeX for it, which worked okay, but had a few flaws, like when linking other files, and Trillium, which is interesting, but also uses an SQL database (without mobile support, which didn't work for me).
Turtl was interesting, but when I used it, very beta.
Evernote was okay, but also suffers from the proprietary format. I dropped them after they reduced the device support down to 2/3, so no idea what it's like now.
Onenote was nice with the pen support (only Apple and Samsung notes otherwise have that, as far as I'm aware), but I found it to be quite heavy, and a little unwieldy (in addition to being proprietary).
Onenote also has a strange quirk where it will gradually accumulate copies, so big notes will cause it to grow over time until it starts eating up huge amounts of space on your computer.
I'd encourage you to check out SyncThing; it works great for syncing pretty much anything: I use it for my Obsidian notes and for my KeePass vault.
I currently use BT Sync/Resilio, since it supports selective sync without fiddling with an ignorelist, but it does work, except on Obsidian's iOS app, which supports only icloud, or Obsidian sync.
Evernote is “dead”.
Try Joplin if you haven’t already. !joplinapp@sopuli.xyz
It is similar to Evernote and you can set up the sync on another service like Dropbox or even your self-hosted solution. You can also pay them a few bucks a month for their hosting services.
Joplin has a good iOS app as well as apps for nearly all other platforms. I migrated from Evernote to Joplin after Evernote practically doubled their prices and then switched their free option down to a single notebook and could not be happier.
Maybe I don’t understand what you mean, but I have an smb share that my phone can always access (via vpn, or when on network). IOS does a good job remembering it, staying connected, and reconnecting between interruptions. I keep my obsidian folder on the share and the iOS app has never had problems finding and connecting to it, just as my desktop and laptop, keeping everything in sync automatically.
Interesting. I don't use Samba, but a different app for syncing, and it's much more of a headache.
Either Obsidian wants you to log into sync, or it helpfully makes a new vault on icloud.
There is not a third option, with their forums suggesting that they weren't going to add one, due to iOS limitations.
That has been my experience with it as well and it is definitely limiting! You can play some games with git and turn your local Obsidian vault into a repository. I sync with WorkingCopy (pro) on iOS.
Awesome, great info thank you
Personally I've been using Anytype. The free version includes I think 2GB of sync storage, which is pretty generous for text notes.
Using it is kinda clunky and unintuitive on a touch screen. Theres a notable lack of touch feedback that makes it weird and imprecise to use. Like pressing and holding on a folder or file doesn’t have any visual indicator that you’re pressing on the correct line, so you have to wait and see what opens. Maybe on a bigger phone this is less of an issue but in my iPhone 15 pro it’s been kind of annoying. Also after like a year or two with the app there’s something about the navigation I don’t like. It just doesn’t follow the usual conventions of what you’d expect from a mobile app.
It feels a lot like how using the desktop version version of a website in a mobile browser does.
First time hearing of this note taking app. How does it compare to obsidian? Is it comparable? I bought a license for obsidian a couple of days ago (using it for work stuff) and now I'm wondering if it's smarter to use this as I already pay for Proton unlimited and I kinda expect this to (somehow) be included the same way they did with SimpleLogin.
I found Standard Notes rather rudimentary compared to Joplin, Obsidian, Logseq and Trilium. I settled on Joplin but the others are fine. Trilium is kinda neat since you can put automations in your notes that act on other notes.
I wish they had gone with something a little more robust than standard notes.
I've used it for years. What's not robust?
It and I might just be at odds about some fundamental aspects of note taking. One of the major problems I have is shared with Protonmail: Folders as a second class feature.
I may be old and tired, but structure is information. Folders are a premium feature, which on its face is laughable - I'm not opposed to paying for software, I pay for the note taking software I use now, but c'mon. For me tags are not a suitable substitution, they are good metadata for sure; particularly for searching but it's a very flat organization system. It could be so much richer.
Missing free-form note metadata. We've got created date and modified date which is good, and an archived flag which is OK. An example I have from my notes is: I take notes during a meeting, sometimes on paper when I'm not in a situation where I have a computer in front of me. When I digitize these notes I assign an attribute to them that is the date the meeting took place, since digitization may not happen until the next day or longer depending on how long it sits on my desk.
Missing templates. I have spent some time putting together rough outline structures for different kinds of notes; release notes, change logs, general meetings, and daily task notes.
Missing note links. I am a big fan of not repeating information in a bunch of places. Doubly so in notes. My first impressions of a thing may be wrong, incomplete, missing context.. and if I can create a note about a thing, and then link back to the thing when I refer to it in other notes it adds a great deal of context and allows for extremely simple revisions.
None of this stuff is mandatory for note taking for sure, but so much value can be derived not just from the content of your notes but the metadata surrounding your notes. When you open the door to this, and you add something like "smart lists" which are more or less just saved search critera.. it helps.
Interesting thoughts and methods, thanks for taking the time. I had interpreted "not robust" as meaning you thought it unreliable. I agree about folders, which is why I opted to pay the subscription