Ideas to build a federated StackExchange alternative
ioc.exchange
Codeberg was asking about this. The linked toot by a commenter points to :
These are CC-BY-SA 4.0 remixes of the Stack Exchange Creative Commons Data Dumps. 100% Unendorsed by Stack Exchange, Inc.
They are minimal. They provide the data you probably care about and the data you need to comply with the original license in SQLite format.
@lemmyreader Here's a starting point for a fediverse StackExchange: Make sure it's interoperable with Lemmy.
Now, you may not get the full feature set on Lemmy, but you should be able to interact with it from Lemmy as if it's a group on there.
#StackExchange #Fediverse #Coding
@ajsadauskas @lemmyreader
Yep! It seems a good Threadiverse ecosystem could be on its way with lemmy etc, nodebb and discourse. Hooking a stack overflow alternative into that could make a lot of sense of kick starting it.
Though at some point UI differences could prove problematic(?)
Honest question: Why?
IMHO stack exchange is basically reddit/lemmy with hand cuffs because no threaded discussions and every other question is closed as off topic. I don’t understand what another stack exchange would buy anybody.
I guess one thing stack exchange does well is “related questions” and tagging, but… I dunno. (shrugs)
With a few more additions, lemmy could serve as a good replacement. We already have a
Forum/NewCommentssort which is perfect for question / answer type communities. We could add a feature to make default sorts for specific communities, so they would feel less fast, or possibly a sort that brings zero comment posts (IE meaning unanswered), to the top.The reputation and "accepted answer" features from SO are a lot less important than threaded comments can be, especially since questions often need new answers every year, making the "accepted answer" pointless.
Especially with Lemmy getting support for plugins soon, I don't see the need for making a new platform
A new sorting method for "unanswered" is a cool idea. I'm not sure if it's quite as simple as just finding posts with 0 comments, because people can put additional questions in the comments but it's still unanswered. Also how do you sort them for posts with the same number of comments/answers. But this is definitely something that a plugin could handle.
I saw someone else suggested we could just put "[unanswered]" in the title and then edit the title to "[answered]"
Default sort would be great. Especially for sports events. But I don't want Lemmy to become an answer repository, keep it as a link aggregator
You missed the StackExchange and AI story this week ?
And guess what, it can be done just as easily, if not, more easily on a federated instance. You don’t gain at real additional control over your data (and no putting “covered under license X” is about as realistic as those Facebook posts saying “I don’t give anyone access to my posts”).
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, realistically the only way to control your data from AI is a DRM type solution which everyone fundamentally hates.
I don’t think this can be solved with any type of technology. It needs legislation. These AI companies need regulation.
Federated Stack Exchange isn't harder for AI to eat. If anything it's easier.
Useful constraints would focus discussion to keep questions/replies brief, relevant, and hopefully helpful, wouldn't they? I just wonder how up and downvoting would work since that would go very differently from Lemmy.
how so?
I'm sure this has been solved already but I'm just wondering how you ensure people are voting based on the helpfulness and/or merit of the response. That's the ideal on Lemmy but it's obviously not always the case here. Presumably, you'd have to be logged in on the other platform to vote but you can just see the discussion from Lemmy, I guess?
Oohhh. Seeding the alternative with all the old data, if possible, could be an awesome move here!
How could anybody stop the AI robbers from stealing content from the fediverse?
Why does that matter? The content is licensed CC BY-SA. The point here is to prevent AI answers.
It seems to matter for the users at Stack Overflow. And why should anybody give anything for free to the crooks in Silicon Valley. All they do is create technology designed to extract value out of people and give as little as possible back.
Because that's the nature of FOSS. The good news is, if they trained on you data that's licensed CC BY-SA (as all SO content is), then you can request their source code, and they legally must provide it.
This is a good thing.
robots.txt may help : https://neil-clarke.com/block-the-bots-that-feed-ai-models-by-scraping-your-website or blocking by IP addresses.