Tulsa mom pleads guilty to allowing 12-year-old daughter to get pregnant by grown man
fox23.com
It was one of the most bizarre sex crimes in recent Tulsa history. Now it's over, and both adults involved are headed to prison.
The 12-year-old girl showed up a Hillcrest Hospital in midtown Tulsa in July 2021 in labor.
The father-to-be apparently expected to walk out with the girl and their new bundle of joy.
"They walked in just like any other couple would, excited to deliver their newborn child," Tulsa Police Officer Danny Bean told FOX23 News in 2021.
When the child, well below the age of consent, showed up to give birth, doctors immediately called Tulsa Police to report what was happening.
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As you can see by reading my post, I did not ignore the sexual assault.
However, no one gains from these people being imprisoned and people who want others "punished" should not be in the room when adult decisions are being made.
A vengeance-based prison system is immoral to the point of being evil, and a sign of barbarism in the person advocating for it.
You totally ignored the sexual assault. You said it’s just “stupidity.” Raping an 11-year old girl is a lot more than stupidity. They all need to go to prison.
My comment is pretty short and this should not be difficult to parse. I never forgot nor justified the sexual assault.
My other point is that your personal feelings here
A) are objectively wrong
B) are evil
Once again for the folks in the back...
Without rehabilitation and lower recidivism it only makes things worse not better for society. More and better rehabilitation programs are needed. And we need to do a far, far better job of addressing poverty and child abuse.
Also, privatized prisons stand in the way of achieving the greater good here. Sort of like privatized healthcare and health insurance.
In this case we do gain, because less stupid people will otherwise go scotts free with playing stupid.
The law must consider intent to a certain degree, but it cannot be bent all the way if someone is considered too stupid to think about his own behaviour as problematic.
If we're putting stupid people in prison for being stupid, were going to need a LOT more prisons.
We imprison rapists to ensure they do not harm others.
Honestly 95+% of rapists go free, so I lean toward restorative justice models, too, personally. Gotta destigmatize offenders getting help while taking accountability and helping victims. I say this as a victim of rape btw, and sexual assault, and harassment and distribution of sexual material without my consent. Prisons aren't a viable solution.
Violent rapists are indeed some of the few people I do support prison (with heavy reforms) for. They tend to have crazy high recidivism rates and need rehabilitation before release.
I'm all for abolishing the vengeance-based system we have, but deterrence is a thing. So is keeping dangerous people away from potential victims. Obviously it only works to a point, and some people won't be deterred no matter what, so unreasonably harsh penalties don't help, but if people are allowed to rape children right out in the open with no consequences, more people are definitely gonna do it, because wanting to rape children is such a common thing there's a whole political party that wants to make it legal (and has succeeded in many cases).
Hey thanks for at least not assuming I'm a pedophile because I have issues with the criminal justice system
I'm sure there's a middle ground here wed find mutually acceptable
Ugh, people who do that are the worst.
People have a right to defend themselves. If society refuses to protect us by locking up criminals then you better loosen self defence laws A LOT and prepare for violence.
Nah. You can just stop being afraid all the time
"Hey 11 year old girl, just stop being afraid of being constantly raped by a grown man, it'll fix everything."
I'm clearly talking about you, and not her
No you're not since I'm not the same guy you were replying to. You have some SERIOUS deeply set mental issues that require serious time in therapy, I hope you get the help you so desperately need.
Lmao no I really don't. Lots of people on Lemmy do seem to, though.
Looking over your post history, you just don't seem very intelligent, so I forgive you for the now two asinine comments you've left me.
Edit: spoke too soon. Hope you get the help you need, and unlike you, I do mean that genuinely.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and it hurts everyone you love. You'll get through this.
Jesus fucking Christ. You really think you're clever here don't you? Do you really not take a step back and question yourself when everyone is telling you you're wrong and actively downvoting everything you blurt out of your sick head? The fact you think pulling that comment up is a gotcha' moment is incredibly telling of how sick you are. GET HELP. JFC you're actually crazier than the hexbear psychos.
I don't think it's a gotcha moment. It's a moment where I developed a lot of empathy for you, as it explains why some of your comments (and this one) have been so unhinged
I genuinely and sincerely hope you get help. I used to be suicidal and the feeling is horrific.
Not everyone is out to pull gotchas and shit on you. I think you're a being a bit of a dick, but I don't hate you. Depressed people often lash out and I get that.
Everyone telling me I'm wrong is just dumb - why would I care about their opinions?
You're either a pedophile or a pedophile sympathizer, I do not want any of your empathy.
I'm neither. Instead I'm strongly opposed to our prison system.
You don't need to accept my empathy, but I'm not gonna let you twist my words without a rebuttal.
Sorry your situation is so bad, but it's no excuse to turn off your brain.
You're either a pedophile or a pedophile sympathizer, I have nothing more to say to someone as clearly mentally fucked up as you are.
Are you just going to repeat this over and over?
I'd hate to block you, because I'd feel like I'm contributing to your depressive state, but I will if you're just going to keep spouting dumb shit in my general direction