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This is AFTER debloating all the MS bs as much as I can.

The amount of MS telemetry is just mindboggling.

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Devil’s advocate: basically the only proper way to figure out how people are using your product and how you can tweak it to achieve its goal is by firing events and including relevant metadata such as how much time they spent on a screen or how far they scrolled. Telemetry is not necessarily “evil” by default.

I totally agree, but where I have a problem (and I imagine a lot of other users here) is that you can't fully opt out. You can only set "minimal" tracking but not none.

Also, Firefox, lemmys beloved browser, sends telemetry by default. You have to dig through menus you didn't know existed to even find out, and then disable.

Not only to Mozilla, but third parties as well.

Sure it's scummy, but it's definitely not hidden. When you open the settings page Data Collection is a top level option

It's hidden in the fact it's not presented upon first startup, it never mentions it, and it's at the very bottom of the settings page.

You have to discover it. And who knows how long you had it enabled before you find it.

It's interesting. I always get a pop-up asking about opting in for sending telemetry when installing Firefox. It was never hidden or the option selected for me. I opt out and it stays opted out.

Firefox is the lesser of two evils. It turned to shit the moment they took Google's poisoned money. The money also made the Mozilla org put on airs and think they're some world-changing UN body or some shit and lose focus on their core business of making web browsers.

Not sure about this. When I installed Firefox, it asked me if I allowed it to collect data and run studies (I answered yes). Also, as far as I remember, I never changed the Marketing Data setting and it was off.

Mozilla is also HIGHLY political, paying large sums of money to hardcore anti-white organizations.

Are these the "anti-white" supporters you're talking about? https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/

Seems odd that these anti-white warriors would be overwhelmingly white themselves. I'm guessing you think the only competent people they could find to hire were white?

Devil’s advocate: basically the only proper way to figure out how people are using your product

Focus groups and customer surveys work really well.

Not in the slightest unfortunately. Often customers don't even know what customers want, and the subgroup that actually responds to these aren't necessarily "average"

Not in the slightest unfortunately. Often customers don’t even know what customers want, and the subgroup that actually responds to these aren’t necessarily “average”

That seems like one hell of a hand waving away the opinion.

You do realize that was used for decades before computer's and the Internet was a thing, right?

And they do things like blind tests so they get audiences that are average.

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