Defederation from Lemmygrad.ml

lwadmin@lemmy.worldmod to Lemmy.World Announcements@lemmy.world – 1632 points –

Hello World,

Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.

Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.

At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.

As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one's stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.

We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.

Thank you,

The Lemmy.World Team

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Hexbear and Grad users defend genocidal regimes like Ruzzia and China. They excuse their crimes and argue in bad faith. I had so many insane discussions before I decided to block both of these instances entirely.

They are, by every single sense of the word, tankies.

Tankie is not just an oblivious term that has no meaning. It signifies a red fascist. It's like arguing that it's bad that we don't let neonazis in discussions. They do not care about discussing. All they want is to spread their disgusting ideas while hiding them behind leftism.

By defederating from these instances, we don't become less leftists. These people are not leftist.

This is not a slippery slope. It is a necessary step to ensure the growth of this website and actually worthwhile discussions.

Well spoken.

interacting with them does nothing but benefit them and the spread of their lies and propaganda. It brings nothing of value for anyone else.

It can be worth to set a counter-point. But I wouldn't do so in hopes of changing the tankie's mind. Rather to help the audience.

Elevating propaganda and lies to the level of proper discourse services no purpose but giving them false legitimacy and wider spread.

I guess we summed up two main arguments for both sides in neat one-liners.

I mostly agree, except:

These people are not leftist.

They are leftists, on top of the genocide they support they're also all for workers owning the means of production. Leftism isn't "when good," right isn't "when bad," left and right are economic distinctions symbolizing the people on one side and the aristocracy on the other. There can in fact be "bad leftists" just as there can be "bad rightoids." Bad people exist everywhere, not just at republican conventions.

These people are not leftist.

Why not?

If you support brutal totalian regimes, with your only excuse being "America bad," you only use leftist as a label, not a belief system.

But is 'leftist' actually a belief system? Left vs Right seems to me to be a political construct applicable to the individual country in question, if it can even be applied at all.

Another words, i guess I don't see the point of assigning "tankies" to left or right.

their anti SJW edgelords just with a communist bent perspective.

Why is them not being leftist? Do you just interpret left = good?

Why is them not being leftist?

Bad phrasing on my part. the only thing required to be anti SJW is to be not a liberal. Socialism is distinctive from liberalism, concervitism, (heck, even mormanism), and a lot of other ideologys.

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Can't deradicalize extremists without engaging them. Not to say where and when that should happen, or that the moral argument is even relevant. As Popper said in the wake of WWII,

If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

Being anti imperialism that's funded by the America war machine is not the same as being a tankie.

American tax dollars are very very involved in this conflict. This war

Which war are you talking about now? If you mean the one in Gaza right now, yeah, I would agree with the fact that America is tied to it.

Supporting Hamas, however, is not anti imperial.

I agree with you about grad/hex ultimately being or supporting red fascists, but I'm not convinced that world's admins are using this much nuance to make their decision. They probably saw some angry anti-Israel comments and just assumed it's all hate speech.

They should have done it sooner, when they had schizo takes about the Ukraine war or China

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