Jesus Christ. Lived the life we should have lived and died the death that we deserve. Just so we can go and live with Him. No love is greater than that.
I sure did feel the love and embrace of the son of God as his proud followers directly contributed to various traumatic experiences and abuses growing up that fucked me up as a child and led to me being an emotionally and mentally stunted adult. If this is God's love, I ain't impressed, and don't gimme that shit about having my faith tested cause the sadistic bastard that sees global suffering en masse and explicitly allows it is not deserving of my faith.
Cool that your religion brings ya peace and joy mate, genuinely happy for ya. Shit sucks in the world and we all need some form of comfort, but my advice? Keep it to yourself.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Satan does infiltrate places where God is meant to be. What I am sharing is more than a religion. It's a relationship with and eternal security in Christ. I stress this enough, the things that happened to you when you were younger WERE NOT okay in any way, shape or form. Bad things happen in schools as well, and other places that are supposed to be a sanctuary. Please don't allow your bad experience to reflect poorly on Christ. I think it was Gandhi who said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
God is not all powerful if Satan can overcome him.
Satan cannot overcome Him. Satan's time is limited, in the end he will be defeated.
God was incapable of defeating him when a child was being raped and a perfect being is not capable of change.
The next child being raped will be watched by your God, too, as he will never be capable of defeating evil, as a perfect being will never change.
To change God would be to admit imperfection. Which is why I love the irony of the New Testament.
So if God is not capable of overcoming evil, and we know he is willing to watch innocent children be raped, why worship him?
All of these things are insignificant compared to Heaven. I think Job 38 illustrates God's perspective on this perfectly. This life is all we know right now.
Revelation shows God defeating Satan. It will happen. Satan's power is limited right now. Right now we have Jesus to save us in the meantime.
raped children don't matter compared to my mental comfort
The disgusting selfish ego of the religious is the part I can never empathize with or sympathize with.
So, you admit God must change in the future to defeat Satan? You do not believe he is capable of defeating him as he is?
So God is neither all powerful nor perfect.
You do not worship the main texts of Christianity with those claims.
Notice how you don't actually want to discuss the topics or respond to the things I've said. You want to inject some fluffy talk to reinforce hiding your eyes from the discussion to pretend like you are participating.
If I worshipped something as a God, I would be devout enough to discuss it with a person instead of just talking over their statements about it.
Let's revisit where my previous comment started
God was incapable of defeating him when a child was being raped and a perfect being is not capable of change.
The next child being raped will be watched by your God, too, as he will never be capable of defeating evil, as a perfect being will never change.
You are happy to worship an imperfect powerless God who let's children be raped because a book written by child rapists said things might get better one day.
This guy believes in literal satan and jesus. Don't even try logic and reason, he is to far gone.
Yes... Because I'm Christian. It seems you feel that you are "too far gone" if you're Christian 😂
Satan actually isn't really a Christian concept.
Do you celebrate Christmas?
Of course I celebrate Christmas. Do you think I'm a Jehovah's Witness or something? 🤣
Well, I don't think you are a practicing Christian lmao.
Nope, not every christian is a hardcore christian fundamentalist.
Believing in Jesus and Satan are the fundamentals of Christianity so... Yes?
I'm not arguing with you about logic, what would be the point? From my perspective it's like arguing with someone who thinks Lord of the Rings is based on real true story, which would be rather ridiculous endeavor.
Did you just edit my message? I never said that. I never said God needs to change, it's just something He will do as described in revelation. And what's this about the Bible being written by child rapists? It seems atheists cannot come to a consensus on who wrote it, but this is new. Then why doesn't it proscribe child rape and justify their actions, if it were?
You might not know your Bible as well as you think you do.
Yeah...if only his teachings would have survived...
"Now just ignore all those instructions to implement socialism and go hate gay people!"
They did, it's just that you have two billion people ignoring them because they aren't in the compilation Rome put together and everyone else ignores them because of exhaustion hearing about the Rome version their entire life.
Super interesting stuff and way ahead of its time, understandably opposed by conservative Judaism at that period, and extremely different from what most people think was being discussed (nearly the opposite one might even say).
But it's one of those rabbit holes that's only worth going down for personal discovery, as nearly nobody gives a crap about it for varying reasons.
Boy, do I have news for you!
Thanks for existing, you are great advertisement for atheism, keep up the good work.
Oh you dumb motherfucker
What's the emoji for a wanking hand gesture?
Jehovah is a Lovecraftian monster with strong PR. Eternal torture for everyone who dared to be born is an indefensible concept that you glibly praise. As if the opportunity to kiss up to the entity threatening to shred your soul, forever, is some great gift, and not a grotesque exaggeration of every human dictator demanding limitless praise.
If you had infinite power to reshape the universe, and that universe still included hell, you would have to be some kind of asshole. Nevermind that the threat of torturing the average person, for any length of time, is horrific beyond consideration. Even if you said it only applied to the Hitlers of the world, the folks who did incomprehensible evil - why the fuck does your universe include incomprehensible evil?
And your apologia is to blame the powerless ants. Disgusting.
I find it problematic that you say it's a death we deserve. God is all like, "worship me or be tortured forever!" That's kinda toxic to be honest, and doesn't sound like love to me.
We chose hell. Hell was made for satan and his angels. Heaven is prepared for us. And whether we don't like something or not doesn't dictate it's truth. I don't like Trump but he still exists.
Um, speak for yourself, I didn't choose anything.
However, you dodged my point. Do you honestly think a "loving God" should torture his creations for eternity for not worshipping him? That doesn't sound evil to you? Also, are the people from other cultures that were around before Christianity in hell?
It's not for not worshipping Him. It's for turning against Him.
Yeah ok sure, either way it still sounds petty to me.
Also, you can just say you don't know the answers to my questions it's fine, I'm not really surprised.
Its great how people hate Jesus as an answer, but then love Stalin.
Its great how people hate Jesus as an answer, but then love Stalin.
I'm pretty sure "Satan" would be a more popular answer
They would not admit that objectively Jesus and christianity is one the key factors of success of the west, and you dont even need to be a believer in God or a god to admit it.
Some even speculate that protestantism itself within Christianity helped grow literacy rates by encouraging Bible reading, however the Roman Catholic church has done a lot for science as well.
Jesus Christ. Lived the life we should have lived and died the death that we deserve. Just so we can go and live with Him. No love is greater than that.
I sure did feel the love and embrace of the son of God as his proud followers directly contributed to various traumatic experiences and abuses growing up that fucked me up as a child and led to me being an emotionally and mentally stunted adult. If this is God's love, I ain't impressed, and don't gimme that shit about having my faith tested cause the sadistic bastard that sees global suffering en masse and explicitly allows it is not deserving of my faith.
Cool that your religion brings ya peace and joy mate, genuinely happy for ya. Shit sucks in the world and we all need some form of comfort, but my advice? Keep it to yourself.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Satan does infiltrate places where God is meant to be. What I am sharing is more than a religion. It's a relationship with and eternal security in Christ. I stress this enough, the things that happened to you when you were younger WERE NOT okay in any way, shape or form. Bad things happen in schools as well, and other places that are supposed to be a sanctuary. Please don't allow your bad experience to reflect poorly on Christ. I think it was Gandhi who said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
God is not all powerful if Satan can overcome him.
Satan cannot overcome Him. Satan's time is limited, in the end he will be defeated.
God was incapable of defeating him when a child was being raped and a perfect being is not capable of change.
The next child being raped will be watched by your God, too, as he will never be capable of defeating evil, as a perfect being will never change.
To change God would be to admit imperfection. Which is why I love the irony of the New Testament.
So if God is not capable of overcoming evil, and we know he is willing to watch innocent children be raped, why worship him?
All of these things are insignificant compared to Heaven. I think Job 38 illustrates God's perspective on this perfectly. This life is all we know right now.
Revelation shows God defeating Satan. It will happen. Satan's power is limited right now. Right now we have Jesus to save us in the meantime.
The disgusting selfish ego of the religious is the part I can never empathize with or sympathize with.
So, you admit God must change in the future to defeat Satan? You do not believe he is capable of defeating him as he is?
So God is neither all powerful nor perfect.
You do not worship the main texts of Christianity with those claims.
Notice how you don't actually want to discuss the topics or respond to the things I've said. You want to inject some fluffy talk to reinforce hiding your eyes from the discussion to pretend like you are participating.
If I worshipped something as a God, I would be devout enough to discuss it with a person instead of just talking over their statements about it.
Let's revisit where my previous comment started
You are happy to worship an imperfect powerless God who let's children be raped because a book written by child rapists said things might get better one day.
This guy believes in literal satan and jesus. Don't even try logic and reason, he is to far gone.
Yes... Because I'm Christian. It seems you feel that you are "too far gone" if you're Christian 😂
Satan actually isn't really a Christian concept.
Do you celebrate Christmas?
Of course I celebrate Christmas. Do you think I'm a Jehovah's Witness or something? 🤣
Well, I don't think you are a practicing Christian lmao.
Nope, not every christian is a hardcore christian fundamentalist.
Believing in Jesus and Satan are the fundamentals of Christianity so... Yes?
I'm not arguing with you about logic, what would be the point? From my perspective it's like arguing with someone who thinks Lord of the Rings is based on real true story, which would be rather ridiculous endeavor.
Did you just edit my message? I never said that. I never said God needs to change, it's just something He will do as described in revelation. And what's this about the Bible being written by child rapists? It seems atheists cannot come to a consensus on who wrote it, but this is new. Then why doesn't it proscribe child rape and justify their actions, if it were?
You might not know your Bible as well as you think you do.
Okay? 😂
😂
I'll pass.
Yeah...if only his teachings would have survived...
"Now just ignore all those instructions to implement socialism and go hate gay people!"
They did, it's just that you have two billion people ignoring them because they aren't in the compilation Rome put together and everyone else ignores them because of exhaustion hearing about the Rome version their entire life.
Super interesting stuff and way ahead of its time, understandably opposed by conservative Judaism at that period, and extremely different from what most people think was being discussed (nearly the opposite one might even say).
But it's one of those rabbit holes that's only worth going down for personal discovery, as nearly nobody gives a crap about it for varying reasons.
Boy, do I have news for you!
Thanks for existing, you are great advertisement for atheism, keep up the good work.
Oh you dumb motherfucker
What's the emoji for a wanking hand gesture?
Jehovah is a Lovecraftian monster with strong PR. Eternal torture for everyone who dared to be born is an indefensible concept that you glibly praise. As if the opportunity to kiss up to the entity threatening to shred your soul, forever, is some great gift, and not a grotesque exaggeration of every human dictator demanding limitless praise.
If you had infinite power to reshape the universe, and that universe still included hell, you would have to be some kind of asshole. Nevermind that the threat of torturing the average person, for any length of time, is horrific beyond consideration. Even if you said it only applied to the Hitlers of the world, the folks who did incomprehensible evil - why the fuck does your universe include incomprehensible evil?
And your apologia is to blame the powerless ants. Disgusting.
I find it problematic that you say it's a death we deserve. God is all like, "worship me or be tortured forever!" That's kinda toxic to be honest, and doesn't sound like love to me.
We chose hell. Hell was made for satan and his angels. Heaven is prepared for us. And whether we don't like something or not doesn't dictate it's truth. I don't like Trump but he still exists.
Um, speak for yourself, I didn't choose anything.
However, you dodged my point. Do you honestly think a "loving God" should torture his creations for eternity for not worshipping him? That doesn't sound evil to you? Also, are the people from other cultures that were around before Christianity in hell?
It's not for not worshipping Him. It's for turning against Him.
Yeah ok sure, either way it still sounds petty to me.
Also, you can just say you don't know the answers to my questions it's fine, I'm not really surprised.
Its great how people hate Jesus as an answer, but then love Stalin.
Its great how people hate Jesus as an answer, but then love Stalin.
I'm pretty sure "Satan" would be a more popular answer
They would not admit that objectively Jesus and christianity is one the key factors of success of the west, and you dont even need to be a believer in God or a god to admit it.
Some even speculate that protestantism itself within Christianity helped grow literacy rates by encouraging Bible reading, however the Roman Catholic church has done a lot for science as well.