Omar says Israel policy divisions won’t stop her from supporting Biden in November
thehill.com
Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) said policy differences toward Israel between her and President Biden won’t stop her from supporting him in the November general election.
“Of course,” Omar said Tuesday, when asked by CNN’s Abby Phillip on “NewsNight” whether she would vote for Biden if the election were held that day, in a clip highlighted by Mediaite. “Democracy is on the line, we are facing down fascism.”
“And I personally know what my life felt like having Trump as the president of this country, and I know what it felt like for my constituents, and for people around this country and around the world,” Omar continued. “We have to do everything that we can to make sure that does not happen to our country again.”
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Thanks. I feel like there's only a few of us even calling this out anymore. It's made me tired and really hating Lemmy.
It definitely calls into question the average lemmy user's intelligence.
There’s a lot of tankies on Lemmy/Fediverse. They present a misleading picture of what people really think.
I would agree with you, had I not just had a conversation with a friend about a discord they're in being infected with the "U.S. is a totalitarian state" tankie bullshit.
Indoctrination works both ways, it isn't just conservatives.
There's tankies on other places too.
I saw one at Walgreens
Nah, these people are just garden variety idiots. My friend was roommates with one, dumbfuck wasted a ton of his tuition money on drugs and all of a sudden he's communist.
Edit: downvotes huh? Sounds like we've got some people who spent their money unwisely here. Adds up.
So fucking this.
Not funding a genocide is a tanky thing?
Lmao. The word had officially lost all meaning.
Well, considering Russia wants to stamp out Ukraine's cultural identity and has kidnapped children and killed civilians en masse, and tankies don't want to fund Ukraine's defense and make excuses for Russia...
Tankies don't exactly have a high ground with genocide. They're against funding a genocide, and apparently also against funding a defense against a genocide.
I don't give a fuck about them. I care about you guys trying to lump the entire anti war, anti war crimes group into being tankies.
I don't lump those people into the Tankies group unless their idea of anti war is to give to the aggressor everything they want. At some point war becomes necessary if the aggressor refuses to see anything else.
Well that's good to hear. I'm glad there's someone still being rational.
Tankie seems to be a term that means very different things to various people. I see it as someone, typically a leftist, who makes excuses for an authoritarian government opposed to the US. In this sense, the people who disparage Palestinian protesters are actually closer to Tankie than the protesters. They make excuses for the genocidal actions of a country they like.
I suppose that would be my definition of it. Someone who makes excuses for the genocidal actions of a country they like, for whatever reason. Typically applies to leftists but not always.
Afaik it comes from the Chinese and Russian propensity to end protests with tanks. So it's unconditional support for authoritarian regimes with communist or socialist branding.
Yeah I think you're right. The salient point is moreso the unconditional support for authoritarian regimes. Since communism/socialism aren't as big in Russia and China these days I think it probably fits "anti Western" countries better.
Which, there's nothing inherently wrong with being positioned as anti West. The problem is when Tankies see it as an absolute -- anything done by an anti Western power must be a good thing since they're anti West. A Tankie doesn't consider that those countries can be just as bad, if not worse.
There's gotta be a name for this sorta line of thinking, where the enemy of a bad guy simply has to be a good guy. Whatever fallacy this would be forgets that the enemy of a bad guy can not only be another bad guy, but a worse bad guy. There's certainly issues with the West, but a unipolar Russian (read: Putin) hegemony would be far, far worse.
It probably falls under either/or. Falsely assuming it must be one of two choices.
In any case, I'm glad to see you're a reasonable person as well.
When did words have any meaning?
They have to have some meaning or did I just order pancakes?
I mean, Genos is the cool robot dude from one punch man, no? /S
It's above the base reddit IQ because we know more Linux and programming.
Linux and programming are not necessarily signs of overall intelligence.
I met with a few that tries to argue that the correct choice is to vote for third party. And, other people called them out on it.
I'm far-left as you come, but, I still vote for the feasible and better option in the general. I always vote for the better in the primary without exception. I voted for Bernie in 2020 primary even if Biden is guaranteed to have the nomination, and voted for Biden.
And my opinion is that Biden is the better of the two in context of Israel. He at least sanctioned settlers, and some days that will include Jenin(?) settlers. Trump won't do that. And most people that are against Israel has less to do with war at Gaza than settlers and the clowns in Israel government.
It's such a practical topic for the election, too, right? Never mind the shit the Republicans are pulling on a day to day basis- that shit has already been normalized.
>I’m far-left as you come
i guarantee, you are not.
You sure do not have any idea who I voted for beyond Bernie. I always look up candidates and pick the ones with better access to healthcare, education, working environment, etc.
leftists are building a revolution to overthrow capitalism.
if all you're doing is voting, and for Democrats, then you are not, in fact, a leftist.
Fucking lulz.
Leftists don't actually have to be against capitalism as a concept. Some of us do support european-esque capitalism because of easier access to healthcare and education.
And that's the bare minimum, but the most impactful, and the most realistic. You, the 3rd party voter, can't even cite when they have ever made a dent in the nation-wide scale, and you very well know that you can't convince educated leftists to split their vote to give it to Trump. But, do try, and I'll be laughing at the attempts.
>Leftists don’t actually have to be against capitalism
there is a cure for political illiteracy
Note that capitalism is everywhere, and politicians that do not want to change their economic system to socialism are still counted to left for strong support toward welfare, healthcare, etc. Heavily regulated capitalism is left to the center. Do you have an argument against this?
>you very well know that you can’t convince educated leftists to split their vote to give it to Trump
leftists certainly wouldn't give their vote to trump
Yeah, if they were leftists, they vote left on downballot and vote for realistic options that is closest to left on general. That means, third parties are out unless ranked choice is a thing.
>That means, third parties are out unless ranked choice is a thing.
why would a leftist vote for a conservative politician? they wouldn't
In context of Biden, it's to have him on the white house to get some benefits possible, and he is the most realistic option because of Duverger's Law. Which goes back to my point of there is no good answer as to when was the last time third party has made a huge dent electorally.
if you're a leftist, and you are voting for biden, don't pretend it's because he's a leftist or will help leftists. he's not and he won't.
Let's see. Student debt cleared to some degree. Pay raise for low wage workers. Yes, there were some.
Also, love that you ignored the issue of Duverger's Law.
>you ignored the issue of Duverger’s Law.
just as i would have if you'd raised the book of revelation. lots of people believe it predicts the future, but it doesn't.
>Fucking lulz.
this is an appeal to ridicule.
>You, the 3rd party voter, can’t even cite when they have ever made a dent in the nation-wide voter
you never asked, and, frankly, there is a cure for historical illiteracy, too
Sure, try arguing when was the last time third party has made a dent, and by what percentage. Cure my supposed historical illiteracy please.
>Sure, try arguing when was the last time third party has made a dent
the prohibition party got an amendment passed
Ooh, wow, a party no one heard of, and are you talking about 1919? And this has nothing to do with vote percentage?
Color me shocked and amazed by your argument.
this is called a "horse laugh" fallacy or, formally, an appeal to ridicule
Did you know that I pointed out issues with your arguments? So, address them.
>Did you know that I pointed out issues with your arguments?
no. you raised irrelevant objections.
Then there's two of us. TWO OF US!!!
no one is saying that they will vote for trump to support Palestine
They will just not vote for Biden because he hates Palestinians, right?