Zelenskyy thanks US after House passes aid bill

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and other European leaders have applauded the US for passing a vital €89 billion aid bill which has been struggling to make it through the House of Representatives for months.

The House swiftly approved roughly €89 billion in foreign aid for Ukraine, Israel and other US allies in a rare Saturday session as Democrats and Republicans banded together after months of hard-right resistance over renewed American support for repelling Russia’s invasion.

With an overwhelming vote, €57 billion in aid for Ukraine passed in a matter of minutes, a strong showing as American lawmakers race to deliver a fresh round of US support to the war-torn ally. Many Democrats cheered on the House floor and waved blue-and-yellow flags of Ukraine.

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Hot fucking damn, the russian bots are really out on parade in this comment section aren't they?

...Welp, not like they can parade IRL, so I guess they've got to take what they can get!

Shame the TikTok ban went through, but a 60 billion package should give some fresh strength to the defenders of Ukraine.

I hate this calling idiots bots stuff. It's like calling people NPCs. I think I'm getting old.

Yeah, the majority of them aren't "bots". It's mostly people acting as useful idiots, parroting talking points put forth by Kremlin backed trolls. The shit reeks of 2018's totally organic "Walk Away" movement -- the arguments and slogans practically rhyme.

I don't like the "bots" thing either since it's inaccurate to what's actually going on, but at the same time I don't know a concise way to call out pretty obvious Russian state backed AstroTurfing.

I think we really underestimate the amount of trolling that professional trolls do, I don't think the amount of useful idiots online is that big. While the Russian IRA was knocked offline during the 2018 usa elections, I found that the discourse on reddit was radically different. Subreddits like walkaway or the Donald were suddenly absent from my front page and discussions seemed more civil.

A professional working a 9-5 job of making troll posts, who is using professional tools, who has scores of accounts and spreadsheets with prepared talking points that are based on data analysis, who is working to hit kpi, ... That single professional is able to make a lot more posts and have a much bigger impact than a large group of geezers shitposting on their smartphones.

I agree that there's a lot of direct trolling online, but I wouldn't discount the number of "useful idiots".

Remember Q-anon? The core of that entire "movement" was a handful of people on an obscure website steering discourse and pumping out conspiracy theories to a few hundred dedicated direct followers. That audience served as both a testbed for ideas and a free "localization service" -- they'd take an unpolished core idea and through discourse transform it into something marketable for wider consumption. Said followers obscure the source of the messaging, amplify it, spread it to traditional social media / the real world, "fight" dissidents, etc.

Those "useful idiots" are a fundamental part of an efficient, cost effective, and successful disinformation campaign.

I fucking hate the NPC thing specifically. The bots is one thing, you may not actually know if it's an honest person or a paid bot, but to call someone an NPC is just dehumanizing people.

You do all sorts of shit to an NPC in a video game you'd never do to a real person. I hate that it's normalizing dehumanization.

Kremlin propaganda is a huge problem and sticking your head in the sand isn't helping.

You'll have to clarify what you're accusing me of here. Are you arguing that the people who support Russia's invasion on this platform aren't real people? That they're not actually a combination of bootlickers and folks that actually believe any harm to American hegemony is a positive? Because there are a whole lot of the latter here because they've gotten banned from many other platforms, and not a great reason to spend the resources on the former.

I'm saying that your hand waving away the idea that there are bots on here is short-sighted and ignoring the problem is a terrible idea.

I'll keep hand waving it unless you point to a real instance of a propaganda bot program on this laughably small slice of the Fediverse. A few comments are not fucking AI driven. The entire concept is ridiculous. Nobody's building auto-reply bots to respond to many articles when we've only got a handful of people, like @MicroWave@lemmy.world , who even bother to post the fucking articles.

At some point, the "russian bots are really out on parade" comments are practically a Markov Chain response in their own right.

There would be less talk about them if there weren't so many and Russia wasn't known for botting propaganda every chance they get.

They are really obvious at this point.

Of all the automated posting tools circulating in the US, how many of them are Russian?

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Problem is you people suck ass at figuring out if you are talking to a bot or not. I have been called a bot several times, here and on reddit. My favorite was when I was talking shit about the MCU. Someone honestly believed there was a bot designed to say the MCU has gone to shit since endgame.

In the end I doubt there really is much of a 'Russian bot' presence on lemmy because...well....we are a itty bitty little insignificant corner of the internet.

edit- OH also one of my favorites, also MCU related. I remember this dude on reddit said he was positive wolverine would be in infninity war and when he got downvoted he blamed Disney bots.

Or maybe being able to talk to whomever you please isnt a right, and some of us prioritize our mental health above talking to loud idiots. Theres a huge difference between not liking a marvel movie, and celebrating violence and genocide btw I have no idea how you made that leap. Anyways, if we end up blocking an idiot, whether or not they were a bot is a technical detail

edit: Also sorry Chunk, I know I never ended up responding to that last comment a few months ago, it ended up reaching a length of time that it felt too weird to respond anymore

We are talking about bots tho. And I made the leap because I was bringing up the time I criticized the MCU too much and someone came along and said 'this is clearly a bot do not engage.'

If you want to talk about blocking people about being horrible that's different. But this was a discussion about how supposedly bots are astroturfing this weird little tiny corner of the internet and I was pointing out that people are more often than not wrong when they claim they found a bot by describing my personal experience.

I guess thats fair. I guess personally I dont take the term Russian Bot too literally, as it also works as an insult that undermines anyone dumb enough to repeat russian talking points. So I read Tankie and Russian Bot interchangably

They call everything they disagree with a bot or a Russian. They have a child's understanding of the world and believe everything the mommy and daddy politicians tells them