Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established
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A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.
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They also justified the terrorist attack on the 7th of october, welcomed the large attack on Israel, are not "ashamed to say that Israel has no place in their land and has to be removed" and "will do it again and again".
So yeah they may lay their weapons down, but they never remain peaceful.
Source: https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-065643206.html?guccounter=1
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/02/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news#hamas-official-promises-more-attacks-against-israel-similar-to-those-of-oct-7
Okay? I still only see one side saying they're willing to lay down arms. "This will end when we get an independent state" vs. "this will end when you're all dead?" The former seems more reasonable to me. Your mileage may vary.
It does. I agree that Netanyahu has to go and Palestine should have the chance to be independend, but the Hamas has also to be put down for good. With those terrorist fucks and their degenerated supporters, there will be no peace in the middle east.
How did 'Al Qaeda has to be put down for good' work out for the U.S.?
Mission Accomplished! Haliburton won ^ every contract^
Not that bad since Osama and Zawahiri are dead. Their last big terrorist attack against America was when, 2010? Against the west in general, in France 2015? Since then they pretty much done or in a clash with the Taliban. If we can do the same with the Hamas, I would call it a win.
I see, so by 'put down for good,' you meant 'still exists, just not doing anything dangerous to Israel at this moment.'
Also, you know it took decades of war for Al Qaeda to get to that point, right?
Which is pretty desireable based on the current situation, right? Get rid of their leadership and cripple them.
No shit sherlock, but it's also not like the conflict in the middle east just started in October...we are already a few years into it and it looks like a good point to get rid of their leadership for good now. That and a independend Palestine could make terrorists like them useless and maybe, just maybe could bring peace to the region. But with them still intact, I so ne future in this...
I guess I'm very confused about the way you used term 'put down for good' to mean 'made ineffective, but maybe only temporarily' or why you think this conflict wouldn't also take decades.
Do you think when people have a pet put down, they actually send it to live on a farm upstate?
Yeah I guess there is no point in continuing this discussion here...and no I don't think that Osama is on a farm right now, but maybe you do. And yes "made ineffective, but maybe only temporarily" is a desiable state for the current situation since it can pretty much mean that they are done. But like I said no point in discussing this any further with you ;)
Okay. Though just so you know, this is what 'for good' means:
you can use google, not bad. Have an upvote for that :)
Apparently you also do not know what the phrase "I guess there is no point in continuing this discussion here" means.
You can't shoot an idea. The only way to kill Hamas for good would be genocide. Or actually solving the underlying problem with Palestine, and so starving them of redicalised recruits.
If Palestine wasn't oppressed, no one would be joining Hamas and they would have no power. This is a problem Isreal created for themselves.
I recommend this video, it really shows how what Isreal calls peace is still so oppressive.
They shouldn't be ashamed to say it. Israel has no place on their land and should be removed. We aren't talking about mom and pop tourists but militants that are forcing people out of their homes and killing their children.
What the fuck are you smoking?
Now do Israel with the same energy.
It’s pointless arguing this on Lemmy. Everyone here is convinced that the Islamic jihadists are oppressed and just want peace despite what they actually say and do.
I'm not saying that. You guys seem to think Arabs are born angry, though, and so can't be dealt with just by not being consistently a bastard yourself.
Hey what's your thoughts on manifest destiny? Just curious
Never heard of it
How do you feel about Irish independence then?
I think it’s up to the people from Northern Ireland
Who said anything about Northern Ireland? I said Irish independence not Irish unification.
Who said anything about Ireland. The post is about Hamas
Are you aware that one of the major factors to Ireland independence is terrorism.
Irish politicians also have a problem with just not saying evil stupid shit on Armenian issues.
Which seems especially weird considering that ASALA had connections with IRA.
Was their stated goal to wipe the U.K. off the face of the planet so that they could go to paradise?
Yes, I can easily find IRA leadership talking about mass English genocide from the isle and from the world. Terrorists say some crazy fucked up things in the process of committing violence. But if that's your standard, I can find Israel leadership talking about genociding palastinians. Except unlike Hamas and the IRA, the Israel leadership actually have the force required to do that genocide.
Point being. Do you think Ireland deserves it's independence?
See, it feels like I'm asking you a trick question. Like there is no right answer without making you look silly.
It's not a trick question, you just have conflicting beliefs.
I don’t think you actually understand jihadism. You think it’s a reaction to other circumstances and some fringe extremists rather than the actual goal and being widely supported. You can’t comprehend that goal so try to frame it in logic. But there is no logic involved in the beliefs of Islam and jihadism.
Yes Ireland deserves independence. Yes Palestine deserves independence. But that would not stop them trying to eradicate non Muslims.
I’m leaving this thread now but I can only suggest you listen to some Sam Harris
I don't think you understand the conditions in which terrorism appears. You want to act like there's something special in their blood/culture/religion that makes them Uber terrorists with no logic no brain no motive. Like even without oppression Hamas would of shown up to kill Jews elsewhere in the world.
That's racist m8. They are human beings driven by the same shit as you and me. And you look yourself in the mirror and objectively ask yourself if you think you'd be better if you lived their life up to this point.
Cause and effect. Very simple. Colonize and oppress a population. Cause. Terrorism. Effect.
Hey did you know before Israel that Christians and Jews made up 1/5th the population of the area? Crazy how they were not just committing mass genocide then.
Did you know Gaza right now has a arab Christian and Arab Jewish population?
Actually in a way kind of yeah