Damn shame Bernie is not younger, because he would stomp on all the candidates and especially Putin's Fucking Sock Puppet.
It was never in the cards, sorry to say. To be leftist means to grow stronger every time you lose. The Democratic Party would rather lose to Trump than win with a scary socialist.
Are you sure the majority of voters (plus the weird intermediate system) would vote for him?
In 2016, toward the end of the lead up to the primaries, Bernie polled higher than HRC when they were each given as an option to oppose Trump. I was in rural New York at the time and it was surprising to see so many Bernie signs. Somehow, he was able to reach blue collar America where other, recent Democrats have lost ground.
As a populist, Bernie was a stronger candidate against the other "populist" (Trump) than the institution candidate (HRC). Naturally, the DNC would rather lose against a wannabe-dictator than back someone who doesn't swallow their entire load.
One of the biggest mistakes from the DNC was indeed pushing for HRC in 2016. And the more corporate/centrist Dems continue to resist and fight the progressives today.
Mistake? It was intentional. Sanders represents a threat to the political establishment.
If Hillary didn't want to get payback on bill, and get an oval-office-closet-job from an intern so bad, Bernie would have had a much better chance.
Disclaimer: This is a joke on the internet.
No. America has been well conditioned and will not admit reality until unchecked greed inevitably collapses the global economy, again.
I'm pretty sure they would.
Biden fucking sucks. Only genocidal racists and corporate facists still support him.
Trumps beyond a fucking criminal, and in a hypothetical head to head, probably worse.
Bernie is the only other American politician of the previous decade who has been competitive at a national level, and enjoys widespread popularity. Democratic apologists will have you forget the rat-fucking, but not everyone is blind.
Bernie could actually win.
Biden fucking sucks. This is true.
Unfortunately, vote for anyone else, or even don't vote at all, and you increase the chance of bringing us someone who will turn the dial up to 11.
A month ago, I would agree with you.
Not after this week.
Biden's blown any chance he had. You've got a better chance of getting Maryanne Williamson into office.
That's not true. Bidens changes may get tighter, but the logic of what I said is consistent. Vote for anyone but Biden, and you increase the chances of trump.
Biden was floundering in December/ January. He had a strong state of the Union.
He's doing worse now then he's ever done. He's in an actual tailspin.
You are not better off supporting Biden. You are better off finding another candidate.
Again, nothing I said is wrong. You seem to struggle with the core concept, and are just applying your own.
Regarding your concept, it's comical to suggest another candidate in this month of this year, who is not the dnc or rnc nominee.
Any other candidate is a spoiler for one of the leaders
Not if the candidate you've presumed can't win.
Biden can't win. He's fucked himself too hard at this point. Its over for him.
Voting for arguing for Biden is basically supporting Trump.
🥱
Lemme know when it clicks for you that, even if Biden is projected to win-lose-draw, voting for someone else reduces Biden-votes.
You have two options: You can voter for a guaranteed loss, or you can take a bet on a low probability of winning.
Which is the better bet? Biden can't win Michigan unless he 180's on Gaza. He's shown nothing to indicate he's going to 180 on Gaza.
When we get Trump, it will have been your cultish misunderstanding of how voting works that was the cause.
Ok so not yet. Keep trying! Still not my point!
Again, to your point, since this is about you now:
If Biden loses, it's not going to be trump 80% Biden 11%, your magic 3rd party candidate 9%.
It would be more like, say, even favorably situating your position: trump 55%, Biden 40%, 3rd 5%.
So voting for your 3rd isn't going to move them from 5%, to 45+%.
If you want to build such a candidate, the work has to start now, but for the next election.
Edit by your logic the low probability of winning is Biden, and the guaranteed loss is the 3rd party.
You just don't fucking get it. Biden cant win. He doesn't have a path to 270 unless he 180's on Gaza.
It was a low probability in December when his polling was in the 30s.
Its not a low probability any more, its done. Biden can't win. He has completely lost at this point.
You either run someone else or vote 3rd party.
Saying your voting Biden at this point is basically saying you want Trump to be president.
The question is not whether you like or don't like Biden. The question is not about the morals of lesser evilism. The question is about is the left going to be able to organise in the future, or is it going to get crushed by force. Is that an end result you can get behind that might justify the means of *checks notes* spending five minutes to do the possible within the limits of the current material conditions, i.e. turn up to the fucking ballot booth.
Biden’s blown any chance he had. You’ve got a better chance of getting Maryanne Williamson into office.
Who? I mean sorry I'm European but if I haven't heard of her no she doesn't have a chance. Ballots aren't decided by policy, first and foremost they're a popularity contest and the first step in that is be known. Second step, make sure people believe you can win, appear to have enough support to actually be worth a shot. Then policy comes into play. Biden has the first two nailed down because institutional inertia, policy don't matter if your other candidate doesn't reach that bar.
Just so you know I don't consider myself a genocidal racist or corporate fascist but I will be proudly throwing 100% of my support behind Biden and will encourage all around me to do the same. You should vote Biden by the way...
Its like what they say about Trump. Not fascist by #1 with fascists.
Have you heard that german phrase? “If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.”
Biden has had so many opportunities to do better and he's refused to do so at every turn. If you vote for this guy, you support the genocide of Palestinian people, and the conversion of Israel into a fascist pariah state. Biden is in complete support of Bibi, and everything happening in Gaza right now. He's worse than Trump when it comes to cracking protestors heads (happening, right now). Claiming the right to protest when you are supporting and announcing that order must prevail? He's dismissing the students right to protest and affirming the Universities and polices right to criminalize the protest. And its killing his extremely limited chances at success. You just can't see it because he's a Democrat and you can't see past the color blue.
We're better off supporting Cornell West at this point, and he's ran his campaign like an idiot. Biden has no chance because it just isn't in him to hold Israel accountable.
Just no...
What most people are trying to say:
Despite the flaws that Biden has shown, including his inaction regarding Gaza, or action depending on perspective and topic, he has gotten quite a bit done. However, he is bipartisan in a time where we do need a hard and stalwart, more progressive candidate and leader. We have been pulled so far to the Right as a country that fairness so often seems like some distant memory. What we need is a sharp twist of the wheel and, honestly, I think all of us together can accomplish that with four more years under Biden. A way to stop Trump and buy time for us to carry the momentum that all this growing anger and frustration is giving us.
Let's use the system as it is, get our people in, improve it, and knock out all these corrupt old bloods.
Let’s use the system as it is, get our people in, improve it, and knock out all these corrupt old bloods.
This fantasy is a talking point Democrats have been laying out since 2008. It hasn't worked. Capitulation to the lessor of two evils only emboldens evil.
Supporting Biden at this point is basically handing the election to Trump. He's blown it. He can't win without the youth vote and no amount of siccing the police on the college kids or wagging your finger is going to fix Biden's fundamental flaws. Biden can not win without 100% of the 18-24 year olds and 100% of the progressives.
We're actually better off rallying behind literally anyone else.
Supporting Biden at this point is basically handing the election to Trump.
Holy contradiction, Batman! If you support Biden, it actually lessens the chances of Trump being elected. Also, your solution at this point is to be as apathetic as possible and discourage everyone from voting in turn handing the election to Trump? Real genius like thinking there, champ.
I don't think Leftists would. All it takes is one hint of anything not 100% in alignment with whatever that individual Leftist believes, and they'll drop support.
Damn shame Bernie is not younger, because he would stomp on all the candidates and especially Putin's Fucking Sock Puppet.
It was never in the cards, sorry to say. To be leftist means to grow stronger every time you lose. The Democratic Party would rather lose to Trump than win with a scary socialist.
Are you sure the majority of voters (plus the weird intermediate system) would vote for him?
In 2016, toward the end of the lead up to the primaries, Bernie polled higher than HRC when they were each given as an option to oppose Trump. I was in rural New York at the time and it was surprising to see so many Bernie signs. Somehow, he was able to reach blue collar America where other, recent Democrats have lost ground.
As a populist, Bernie was a stronger candidate against the other "populist" (Trump) than the institution candidate (HRC). Naturally, the DNC would rather lose against a wannabe-dictator than back someone who doesn't swallow their entire load.
One of the biggest mistakes from the DNC was indeed pushing for HRC in 2016. And the more corporate/centrist Dems continue to resist and fight the progressives today.
Mistake? It was intentional. Sanders represents a threat to the political establishment.
If Hillary didn't want to get payback on bill, and get an oval-office-closet-job from an intern so bad, Bernie would have had a much better chance.
Disclaimer: This is a joke on the internet.
No. America has been well conditioned and will not admit reality until unchecked greed inevitably collapses the global economy, again.
I'm pretty sure they would.
Biden fucking sucks. Only genocidal racists and corporate facists still support him.
Trumps beyond a fucking criminal, and in a hypothetical head to head, probably worse.
Bernie is the only other American politician of the previous decade who has been competitive at a national level, and enjoys widespread popularity. Democratic apologists will have you forget the rat-fucking, but not everyone is blind.
Bernie could actually win.
Biden fucking sucks. This is true.
Unfortunately, vote for anyone else, or even don't vote at all, and you increase the chance of bringing us someone who will turn the dial up to 11.
A month ago, I would agree with you.
Not after this week.
Biden's blown any chance he had. You've got a better chance of getting Maryanne Williamson into office.
That's not true. Bidens changes may get tighter, but the logic of what I said is consistent. Vote for anyone but Biden, and you increase the chances of trump.
Biden was floundering in December/ January. He had a strong state of the Union.
He's doing worse now then he's ever done. He's in an actual tailspin.
You are not better off supporting Biden. You are better off finding another candidate.
Again, nothing I said is wrong. You seem to struggle with the core concept, and are just applying your own.
Regarding your concept, it's comical to suggest another candidate in this month of this year, who is not the dnc or rnc nominee.
Any other candidate is a spoiler for one of the leaders
Not if the candidate you've presumed can't win.
Biden can't win. He's fucked himself too hard at this point. Its over for him.
Voting for arguing for Biden is basically supporting Trump.
🥱
Lemme know when it clicks for you that, even if Biden is projected to win-lose-draw, voting for someone else reduces Biden-votes.
You have two options: You can voter for a guaranteed loss, or you can take a bet on a low probability of winning.
Which is the better bet? Biden can't win Michigan unless he 180's on Gaza. He's shown nothing to indicate he's going to 180 on Gaza.
When we get Trump, it will have been your cultish misunderstanding of how voting works that was the cause.
Ok so not yet. Keep trying! Still not my point!
Again, to your point, since this is about you now: If Biden loses, it's not going to be trump 80% Biden 11%, your magic 3rd party candidate 9%.
It would be more like, say, even favorably situating your position: trump 55%, Biden 40%, 3rd 5%.
So voting for your 3rd isn't going to move them from 5%, to 45+%.
If you want to build such a candidate, the work has to start now, but for the next election.
Edit by your logic the low probability of winning is Biden, and the guaranteed loss is the 3rd party.
You just don't fucking get it. Biden cant win. He doesn't have a path to 270 unless he 180's on Gaza. It was a low probability in December when his polling was in the 30s.
Its not a low probability any more, its done. Biden can't win. He has completely lost at this point.
You either run someone else or vote 3rd party.
Saying your voting Biden at this point is basically saying you want Trump to be president.
The question is not whether you like or don't like Biden. The question is not about the morals of lesser evilism. The question is about is the left going to be able to organise in the future, or is it going to get crushed by force. Is that an end result you can get behind that might justify the means of *checks notes* spending five minutes to do the possible within the limits of the current material conditions, i.e. turn up to the fucking ballot booth.
Who? I mean sorry I'm European but if I haven't heard of her no she doesn't have a chance. Ballots aren't decided by policy, first and foremost they're a popularity contest and the first step in that is be known. Second step, make sure people believe you can win, appear to have enough support to actually be worth a shot. Then policy comes into play. Biden has the first two nailed down because institutional inertia, policy don't matter if your other candidate doesn't reach that bar.
Just so you know I don't consider myself a genocidal racist or corporate fascist but I will be proudly throwing 100% of my support behind Biden and will encourage all around me to do the same. You should vote Biden by the way...
Reminds me of the "I'm not racist but.." trope.
Its like what they say about Trump. Not fascist by #1 with fascists.
Have you heard that german phrase? “If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.”
Biden has had so many opportunities to do better and he's refused to do so at every turn. If you vote for this guy, you support the genocide of Palestinian people, and the conversion of Israel into a fascist pariah state. Biden is in complete support of Bibi, and everything happening in Gaza right now. He's worse than Trump when it comes to cracking protestors heads (happening, right now). Claiming the right to protest when you are supporting and announcing that order must prevail? He's dismissing the students right to protest and affirming the Universities and polices right to criminalize the protest. And its killing his extremely limited chances at success. You just can't see it because he's a Democrat and you can't see past the color blue.
We're better off supporting Cornell West at this point, and he's ran his campaign like an idiot. Biden has no chance because it just isn't in him to hold Israel accountable.
Just no...
What most people are trying to say:
Despite the flaws that Biden has shown, including his inaction regarding Gaza, or action depending on perspective and topic, he has gotten quite a bit done. However, he is bipartisan in a time where we do need a hard and stalwart, more progressive candidate and leader. We have been pulled so far to the Right as a country that fairness so often seems like some distant memory. What we need is a sharp twist of the wheel and, honestly, I think all of us together can accomplish that with four more years under Biden. A way to stop Trump and buy time for us to carry the momentum that all this growing anger and frustration is giving us.
Let's use the system as it is, get our people in, improve it, and knock out all these corrupt old bloods.
This fantasy is a talking point Democrats have been laying out since 2008. It hasn't worked. Capitulation to the lessor of two evils only emboldens evil.
Supporting Biden at this point is basically handing the election to Trump. He's blown it. He can't win without the youth vote and no amount of siccing the police on the college kids or wagging your finger is going to fix Biden's fundamental flaws. Biden can not win without 100% of the 18-24 year olds and 100% of the progressives.
We're actually better off rallying behind literally anyone else.
Holy contradiction, Batman! If you support Biden, it actually lessens the chances of Trump being elected. Also, your solution at this point is to be as apathetic as possible and discourage everyone from voting in turn handing the election to Trump? Real genius like thinking there, champ.
I don't think Leftists would. All it takes is one hint of anything not 100% in alignment with whatever that individual Leftist believes, and they'll drop support.