Maga assholes are having a grand time twisting the knife in this wound trying to drive a wedge in the voting block. It's clearly working.
The people who are drawing the line at genocide in Gaza are being disingenuous at best. Foreign policy is, believe it or not, far more complicated than people make it out to seem. Making every effort to de-escalate the conflict at the negotiating table comes before burning bridges with arguably our last and only stalwart ally in the middle east.
Sending Israel weapons doesn't look like a descalation strategy.
There were agreements already in place, and not sending at least some of those weapons was not an option.
That's just pure bullshit. Under the Leahy amendment they're not even allowed to send weapons to countries credibly accused of human rights abuses, and the state department's just sitting on those reports instead of following the law.
You could literally impeach the President over this, but obviously the majority of Congress is ok with the president breaking that law.
You could literally impeach the President over this
You're telling me that the Republicans who have been grasping at straws for four years to come up with an excuse to impeach Biden are letting this impeachable offense pass them by? Sorry, but I don't believe you.
Republicans are overwhelmingly Zionists who would never criticize a Democrat for supporting Israel. If anything, they would impeach Biden for not sending Israel enough bombs and guns to use to murder innocent Gazans
Gee, sounds like we should really do everything we can do keep these Republicans out of office then.
Sure. Which leaves us with democrats. Who are the ones currently arming and funding a genocide
So you don't want Biden, but you don't want Trump either, but you can't have it both ways. No matter if you turn out to vote or not, you are getting one of those two choices. That's a fact. We're stuck in the Prisoner's Dilemma Election, and it's time to decide if we're going to play the game to win or not.
There's far more at stake this year than just the fate of Gaza, but shortsightedness is going to kill us.
Holy shit, genocide minimizing.
Scratch a liberal...
How is this minimizing genocide? I've acknowledged that it's a serious problem.
What's your solution?
Saying that there's far more at stake than an ongoing genocide minimizes genocide.
My solution is to protest as loudly as possible and donate my time, money, and energy to stopping genocide, and not waste anyone's time by trying to inhumanly minimize genocide.
More than one thing can be true at the same time. Stopping the genocide in Gaza is important. Stopping the rise of fascism in America is important. Stopping the erosion of civil liberties in America is important. Minimizing genocide would be me saying "It's not that bad", which I don't believe is true. It is that bad. I just disagree with the apparent strategy that the nascent leftists have embraced, which is to cut off the nose to spite the face, a strategy that will ultimately end up with a continuation of the status quo at best and risks a rapid acceleration of all of the problems I mentioned above in the worst case scenario.
By all means, protest and donate your money and time to the effort. That seems to be making an impact to some degree.
They’re right. The weapons agreement was already in place and paid for by Israel prior to any criminal accusations by the ICC. The subsequent aid was unnecessary, but it was the only leverage to get the Republicans in Congress to pass Ukraine aid.
Why do you need an ally in the Middle East? America's not in the Middle East right?
That's the "complicated foreign policy" that OP is taking about. There are a ton of reasons to have allies all over the world, which surprisingly includes the Middle East. It could be for military, economic, informational, or other reasons.
Weird. Informational?
Sharing of information. They have info we don't, and visa versa.
Information about what
Literally, anything. Information has value. Allies have information and share it with their allies.
The Empire must be everywhere
Why do we need to sally out and defeat the enemy? The enemy isn't inside the castle walls, right?
Are you really so naive that you can't see value in making alliances with countries that don't directly border your own?
Wait, who is your enemy?
Whoever Netanyahu wants dead, of course.
Does causing unnecessary conflict create pleasure for you? It’s a pretty terrible character flaw. You should take a look at that.
Does causing unnecessary conflict create pleasure for you
Unnecessary for who?
Everyone. They generate conflict with every message by name calling and misrepresenting others’ positions to create tension.
So if they just say "I'm not voting for Biden or Trump in 2024" that would be better?
That’s voting for Trump. We all know his base is delusional and unwavering. With that knowledge we are charged with the responsibility to stop him. It’s not like sitting out will result in a third option.
People can vote for whoever they want. You're just generating unnecessary conflict here.
Of course they can. I’m just providing factual information to help them understand the results of abstaining from the vote. If they want to vote for Trump, they can vote for him, abstain, or vote third-party and achieve the same result.
Maga assholes are having a grand time twisting the knife in this wound trying to drive a wedge in the voting block. It's clearly working.
The people who are drawing the line at genocide in Gaza are being disingenuous at best. Foreign policy is, believe it or not, far more complicated than people make it out to seem. Making every effort to de-escalate the conflict at the negotiating table comes before burning bridges with arguably our last and only stalwart ally in the middle east.
Sending Israel weapons doesn't look like a descalation strategy.
There were agreements already in place, and not sending at least some of those weapons was not an option.
That's just pure bullshit. Under the Leahy amendment they're not even allowed to send weapons to countries credibly accused of human rights abuses, and the state department's just sitting on those reports instead of following the law.
You could literally impeach the President over this, but obviously the majority of Congress is ok with the president breaking that law.
You're telling me that the Republicans who have been grasping at straws for four years to come up with an excuse to impeach Biden are letting this impeachable offense pass them by? Sorry, but I don't believe you.
Republicans are overwhelmingly Zionists who would never criticize a Democrat for supporting Israel. If anything, they would impeach Biden for not sending Israel enough bombs and guns to use to murder innocent Gazans
Gee, sounds like we should really do everything we can do keep these Republicans out of office then.
Sure. Which leaves us with democrats. Who are the ones currently arming and funding a genocide
So you don't want Biden, but you don't want Trump either, but you can't have it both ways. No matter if you turn out to vote or not, you are getting one of those two choices. That's a fact. We're stuck in the Prisoner's Dilemma Election, and it's time to decide if we're going to play the game to win or not.
There's far more at stake this year than just the fate of Gaza, but shortsightedness is going to kill us.
Holy shit, genocide minimizing.
Scratch a liberal...
How is this minimizing genocide? I've acknowledged that it's a serious problem.
What's your solution?
Saying that there's far more at stake than an ongoing genocide minimizes genocide.
My solution is to protest as loudly as possible and donate my time, money, and energy to stopping genocide, and not waste anyone's time by trying to inhumanly minimize genocide.
More than one thing can be true at the same time. Stopping the genocide in Gaza is important. Stopping the rise of fascism in America is important. Stopping the erosion of civil liberties in America is important. Minimizing genocide would be me saying "It's not that bad", which I don't believe is true. It is that bad. I just disagree with the apparent strategy that the nascent leftists have embraced, which is to cut off the nose to spite the face, a strategy that will ultimately end up with a continuation of the status quo at best and risks a rapid acceleration of all of the problems I mentioned above in the worst case scenario.
By all means, protest and donate your money and time to the effort. That seems to be making an impact to some degree.
They’re right. The weapons agreement was already in place and paid for by Israel prior to any criminal accusations by the ICC. The subsequent aid was unnecessary, but it was the only leverage to get the Republicans in Congress to pass Ukraine aid.
Over 30,000 is not enough for Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden?
Bush Sr and Reagan did more to hold Israel accountable for its crimes.
Not sending weapons to a genocidal regime is not complicated.
Biden is funding a genocide that’s a red line for people who oppose genocides.
Genocide doesn’t become moral because Israel is a US ally, this is a condemnation of the US too
Why do you need an ally in the Middle East? America's not in the Middle East right?
That's the "complicated foreign policy" that OP is taking about. There are a ton of reasons to have allies all over the world, which surprisingly includes the Middle East. It could be for military, economic, informational, or other reasons.
Weird. Informational?
Sharing of information. They have info we don't, and visa versa.
Information about what
Literally, anything. Information has value. Allies have information and share it with their allies.
The Empire must be everywhere
Why do we need to sally out and defeat the enemy? The enemy isn't inside the castle walls, right?
Are you really so naive that you can't see value in making alliances with countries that don't directly border your own?
Wait, who is your enemy?
Whoever Netanyahu wants dead, of course.
Does causing unnecessary conflict create pleasure for you? It’s a pretty terrible character flaw. You should take a look at that.
Unnecessary for who?
Everyone. They generate conflict with every message by name calling and misrepresenting others’ positions to create tension.
So if they just say "I'm not voting for Biden or Trump in 2024" that would be better?
That’s voting for Trump. We all know his base is delusional and unwavering. With that knowledge we are charged with the responsibility to stop him. It’s not like sitting out will result in a third option.
People can vote for whoever they want. You're just generating unnecessary conflict here.
Of course they can. I’m just providing factual information to help them understand the results of abstaining from the vote. If they want to vote for Trump, they can vote for him, abstain, or vote third-party and achieve the same result.
You’re just generating unnecessary conflict here.
Don't lecture your betters about character, genocide supporter.
I am a pacifist. I could not be further from your claim. Spit your venom elsewhere.
And I'm not a trump supporter. But you didn't give a shit, so why should I?