Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather we forget.
Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather we forget monetise.
FTFY
It's both. I'm sure Puff Daddy, and R Kelly would rather we forget all the horrible things they've done rather than make money off of it. At the same time the NYTimes and the Atlantic would love to make money off their articles about those two people.
That literally has nothing to do with archive.org
Archive.com is not archive.org.
Fixt
I keep seeing people reference diddy did something bad, without mentioning what he did......
Half a dozen people have accused him of sexual assault.
He assaulted a singer named Cassie.
Addition to what others have stated. He is in trouble for more than just one woman. There are many claiming, but Cassie was the first (I think) that accused him and got paid to not say anything. That made his civil suit with her go away, but the feds built up a case and busted on human trafficking amongst other things. His old employee has a bunch of recordings of illegal stuff.
i actually doubt that. i bet of they could make money off of it woth no repercussions they would not give a single fuck.
So we're accusing P.Diddy and R. Kelley of DDOSing the Internet Archive, then?
I doubt this has to do with "powerful people". A DDOS attack does not remove anything from the net, but only makes it temporarily hard to reach.
There are firms that specialize in suppressing information on the net. They use SEO tricks to get sites down-ranked, as well as (potentially fraudulent) copyright and GDPR request.
There must be any number of "little guys" who hate the Internet Archive. They scrape copyrighted stuff and personal data "without consent" and even disregard robots.txt. Lemmy is full of people who think that people should go to jail for that sort of thing.
Lots of grand conspiracy theories in this thread when, in the end, it's probably some bored script kiddy
I doubt it. I'd sooner think it's a corporation or state actor.
How does taking the website down for a few hours help those people? Especially a state actor? If it was the US government or someone like them wouldn't they do something more permanent? Actually wipe the website?
Some news source released something that got redacted based on government pressure. Archive made a snapshot of the news source. Now the state actor goes after the Archive to prevent time sensitive information from spreading. They benefit from the information not being widely available immediately.
Oh....so what got released today?
How would I know? The news source retracted their statement and archive.org is down...
Up for me. It was down a few hours tops. And I remember checking it around the time you made that post as well?
Israel attacking Palestine again possibly
What does knocking the website offline for a few hours do for their war?
OwN tEh LiBs !!!
Who knows, how in The world would I know
err....it was your suggestion?
I offered a plausible explanation never did I suggest it was THE reason. Near zero chance we will ever know
I just don't see how its plausible Israel wanted a website to go down for 2 hours to help them bomb Palestine
Who knows, could be anyone for any reason
Aliens or illuminati, for sure.
Is it still something you can do to big sites the way people did back in the 2000's?
Yep but usually the worst case scenario is a few hours of downtime.
Oh that's true. I've seen a lot of cancel/call-out documents archived on IA, some of which were directed at children or had false accusations on them. It would be funny but not that surprising if all of this was over obscure Twitter drama.
That's one of the problems with archiving everything. I lean in favor of the IA, but there are still issues.
Can you elaborate on the last part?
TBH I can understand that it's a problem for people who aren't expecting it. If they disregard instructions not to index things then that's also a problem. The only real way to prevent scrapers from replicating content is to place it behind a registration wall.
Yeah man, THEY want to take down the information so they can control it, man....
................did I just find a time traveler from the 1950s??? It's been pretty well established since the 1970s that the government CONSTANTLY lies and witholds information. Or did we ever find those WMDs in iraq? And maybe Carter was the one who freed the hostages? And maybe Reagan wasn't selling weapons to banned countries? Whats a watergate? It sure would be crazy to get a blowjob in the white house,. Too bad nobody ever has, or ever will. Hell, even during the opening stages of covid, until Biden got elected, trump was trying to say covid was a hoax that would be gone by April. Then May. Then it didn't matter. Then it was a hoax, until Biden was elected.
And THEY are attacking the IA to prevent it...? Otherwise what does it have to do with anything here?
Not surprising. They archive information that powerful people would rather we forget.
FTFY
It's both. I'm sure Puff Daddy, and R Kelly would rather we forget all the horrible things they've done rather than make money off of it. At the same time the NYTimes and the Atlantic would love to make money off their articles about those two people.
That literally has nothing to do with archive.org
Archive.com is not archive.org.
Fixt
I keep seeing people reference diddy did something bad, without mentioning what he did......
Half a dozen people have accused him of sexual assault.
He assaulted a singer named Cassie.
Addition to what others have stated. He is in trouble for more than just one woman. There are many claiming, but Cassie was the first (I think) that accused him and got paid to not say anything. That made his civil suit with her go away, but the feds built up a case and busted on human trafficking amongst other things. His old employee has a bunch of recordings of illegal stuff.
i actually doubt that. i bet of they could make money off of it woth no repercussions they would not give a single fuck.
So we're accusing P.Diddy and R. Kelley of DDOSing the Internet Archive, then?
Exactly. We're allowed to know based on what we can afford to know.
I doubt this has to do with "powerful people". A DDOS attack does not remove anything from the net, but only makes it temporarily hard to reach.
There are firms that specialize in suppressing information on the net. They use SEO tricks to get sites down-ranked, as well as (potentially fraudulent) copyright and GDPR request.
There must be any number of "little guys" who hate the Internet Archive. They scrape copyrighted stuff and personal data "without consent" and even disregard robots.txt. Lemmy is full of people who think that people should go to jail for that sort of thing.
Lots of grand conspiracy theories in this thread when, in the end, it's probably some bored script kiddy
I doubt it. I'd sooner think it's a corporation or state actor.
How does taking the website down for a few hours help those people? Especially a state actor? If it was the US government or someone like them wouldn't they do something more permanent? Actually wipe the website?
Some news source released something that got redacted based on government pressure. Archive made a snapshot of the news source. Now the state actor goes after the Archive to prevent time sensitive information from spreading. They benefit from the information not being widely available immediately.
Oh....so what got released today?
How would I know? The news source retracted their statement and archive.org is down...
Up for me. It was down a few hours tops. And I remember checking it around the time you made that post as well?
Israel attacking Palestine again possibly
What does knocking the website offline for a few hours do for their war?
OwN tEh LiBs !!!
Who knows, how in The world would I know
err....it was your suggestion?
I offered a plausible explanation never did I suggest it was THE reason. Near zero chance we will ever know
I just don't see how its plausible Israel wanted a website to go down for 2 hours to help them bomb Palestine
Who knows, could be anyone for any reason
Aliens or illuminati, for sure.
Is it still something you can do to big sites the way people did back in the 2000's?
Yep but usually the worst case scenario is a few hours of downtime.
Oh that's true. I've seen a lot of cancel/call-out documents archived on IA, some of which were directed at children or had false accusations on them. It would be funny but not that surprising if all of this was over obscure Twitter drama.
That's one of the problems with archiving everything. I lean in favor of the IA, but there are still issues.
Can you elaborate on the last part?
TBH I can understand that it's a problem for people who aren't expecting it. If they disregard instructions not to index things then that's also a problem. The only real way to prevent scrapers from replicating content is to place it behind a registration wall.
https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/17/robots-txt-meant-for-search-engines-dont-work-well-for-web-archives/
Does this answer the question?
Yeah man, THEY want to take down the information so they can control it, man....
................did I just find a time traveler from the 1950s??? It's been pretty well established since the 1970s that the government CONSTANTLY lies and witholds information. Or did we ever find those WMDs in iraq? And maybe Carter was the one who freed the hostages? And maybe Reagan wasn't selling weapons to banned countries? Whats a watergate? It sure would be crazy to get a blowjob in the white house,. Too bad nobody ever has, or ever will. Hell, even during the opening stages of covid, until Biden got elected, trump was trying to say covid was a hoax that would be gone by April. Then May. Then it didn't matter. Then it was a hoax, until Biden was elected.
And THEY are attacking the IA to prevent it...? Otherwise what does it have to do with anything here?