When 52% of all trips made are less than 3 miles and less than 2% are over fifty miles, I don't think battery swapping is something any individual needs on a regular basis.
I could get on board if manufacturers were making $10,000 sub 50 mile vehicles that were compatible with a swap station so you could switch to a larger battery for the weekend. This would have to be a standard adopted by all however, and even before that, they'd have to make small cars. Which they won't, because we all know they are too busy making trucks and SUVs.
The whole "but what about the one journey a year you make that's outside the normal battery range?" is such an obvious fossil fuel industry boondoggle. It's up there with "but what about that one time you had to move a fridge?" when convincing people that a Ford F150 is a normal sized family car.
It's almost like they knew in the sixties that they were in for some problems and have since been devising ever more complicated methods of disinforming the public in order to maintain their wealth. Does my head in sometimes.
I'm also thinking that way wrt to "we need more fast charging for EVs to work", I recall that plugging into a standard outlet will get you something like 5-8 km an hour, slow charging is totally acceptable for most people's usages. If you're in an area where block heaters are the norm you already have outlets at parking spots, if I could commute to work and plug it in, covers most commutes in a 8 hour day, even those of us who rarely go in and live 70k away I'd be getting most of my range back. For the amount I drive, level 1 charging is more than sufficient.
I think a compact with 2-300 k range would suit me just fine, would cover the odd longer trip and I'll totally grab a rental for anything longer, like I already do it I need to move a fridge.
hear hear for small cars
PS: and walkable/cyclable cities
52% of all trips made are less than 3 miles and less than 2% are over fifty miles
I got a Chevy Volt based on this premise, and it's true! I barely touched my car's ICE until I moved further out into the sticks (running away from rising rents) and even way out here most of my trips are to the grocery store or post office and don't need it.
I was looking at the Volt a couple years ago but the only ones around were over 25k. Then I started looking for a BMW i3, but, like so many of the cheaper EVs, there's not many for sale. It's a shame these smaller vehicles, even a hybrid, aren't pumped out the factories left, right, and centre.
It'd be so much safer - and quieter - in the city if smaller cars were more pervasive.
I could get on board if manufacturers were making $10,000 sub 50 mile vehicles that were compatible with a swap station so you could switch to a larger battery for the weekend. This would have to be a standard adopted by all however, and even before that, they’d have to make small cars. Which they won’t, because we all know they are too busy making trucks and SUVs.
they make $10k ev's with 250 mile ranges that are for sale everywhere except the united states & canada. you can get them in australia or western europe for a 50-75%-ish tariff depending on which country you're in..
Without knowing any examples of the vehicles that are for sale everywhere except, roughly, half the world, I can't really say much them. What I can say is that compared to the monstrous subsidies the oil and gas industry recieve, it does seem like those tariffs could be done away with. At least on the face of it, perhaps the issue is more intricate than that but I'm sure you grasp my meaning.
for the united states, it's actually pretty simple; it's about stopping chinese control of the auto industry and protecting ford, gm & chrysler from having to innovate. here's a short video with a high level overview of it.
Do people even need a car for a 3 miles trip? You can cover that on a bike in 15-20 mins at a chill pace...
Also, 28% of trips are less than a mile? People can't walk a mile?
Not speaking for other places, but America is not made for bikes or pedestrians. It is actively hostile to them in the best cases, and filled with explicit murderous intent in others.
Drivers will actually, actively, try to hit you for daring to take to the roads. And you have to take the road because we have sparse or missing pedestrian sidewalks.
I wouldn't wish biking 3 miles in most American cities on anyone used to a properly designed nation.
Sadly, you are speaking for a great many places. I've cycled in most of the countries I've visited and it can be relatively dangerous.
If people want to see how to integrate a public transport network with a cycle path network, places like Netherlands and Denmark are leading the way.
Over here in the UK we have one of the most regressive attitudes to sustainable transport in Europe. Our trains don't work and cycling is barely tolerated.
This is just anecdotal, but as someone who both drives and cycles in the UK, I'd say it's city dependent. I live in Leeds, go to uni in Leeds and work in Huddersfield. I cycle to uni, cycle to the train station and drive to work (when I can't get a train for whatever reason). Leeds is getting there, albeit slowly but it's getting alot better for cyclists. I like the electric bicycle scheme so I can cycle to the station and just leave the bike there. although it shouldn't be more expensive than getting a bus.
Not everyone is child free and lives where it doesn’t rain
The Dutch do it... Rain or shine (mostly rain with crazy wind) with their cargo/kid bikes.
I am Dutch
So just lazy then?
I live on the Dutch coast and still cycle despite constantly shit weather.
I have 4 kids. Stop acting like a rodent.
Sounds like you're stressed from all those kids! Have you tried cycling? It's a great outlet and stress relief
Not stressed at all, I have a home gym.
Thanks for your concern!
Weight training is very nice for muscle growth and all, but have you tried cycling as a healthy cardio alternative?
If almost a third of trips are less than a mile I feel like the cars are being overused... I am not dismissing the legitimate reasons like rain or carrying kids, although umbrellas and covered strollers have been invented, but I doubt that contributes much to that statistic. If I were to guess, many of these short trips are to the closest mcdonald's drive-through, but regardless.
If gas prices weren't so low(because the US spread freedom to every oil rich country to ensure that), I am pretty sure these statistics would look a lot different. I am sure the urban planning and missing sidewalks don't help, but if fuel was more expensive there would be a lot more people walking, therefore creating incentive for a change.
This is you right, calling on car companies to produce even more vehicles?
Gas prices are largely controlled by OPEC, which the USA isn’t even part of.
Thank you for all your colorful annotations.
Pulling things out of context I see... That thread was about supply and demand being unbalanced leading to scalping.
It doesn't matter if it's cars, GPUs, PS5s or . It's how economy works.
When 52% of all trips made are less than 3 miles and less than 2% are over fifty miles, I don't think battery swapping is something any individual needs on a regular basis.
I could get on board if manufacturers were making $10,000 sub 50 mile vehicles that were compatible with a swap station so you could switch to a larger battery for the weekend. This would have to be a standard adopted by all however, and even before that, they'd have to make small cars. Which they won't, because we all know they are too busy making trucks and SUVs.
The whole "but what about the one journey a year you make that's outside the normal battery range?" is such an obvious fossil fuel industry boondoggle. It's up there with "but what about that one time you had to move a fridge?" when convincing people that a Ford F150 is a normal sized family car.
It's almost like they knew in the sixties that they were in for some problems and have since been devising ever more complicated methods of disinforming the public in order to maintain their wealth. Does my head in sometimes.
I'm also thinking that way wrt to "we need more fast charging for EVs to work", I recall that plugging into a standard outlet will get you something like 5-8 km an hour, slow charging is totally acceptable for most people's usages. If you're in an area where block heaters are the norm you already have outlets at parking spots, if I could commute to work and plug it in, covers most commutes in a 8 hour day, even those of us who rarely go in and live 70k away I'd be getting most of my range back. For the amount I drive, level 1 charging is more than sufficient.
I think a compact with 2-300 k range would suit me just fine, would cover the odd longer trip and I'll totally grab a rental for anything longer, like I already do it I need to move a fridge.
hear hear for small cars
PS: and walkable/cyclable cities
I got a Chevy Volt based on this premise, and it's true! I barely touched my car's ICE until I moved further out into the sticks (running away from rising rents) and even way out here most of my trips are to the grocery store or post office and don't need it.
I was looking at the Volt a couple years ago but the only ones around were over 25k. Then I started looking for a BMW i3, but, like so many of the cheaper EVs, there's not many for sale. It's a shame these smaller vehicles, even a hybrid, aren't pumped out the factories left, right, and centre.
It'd be so much safer - and quieter - in the city if smaller cars were more pervasive.
they make $10k ev's with 250 mile ranges that are for sale everywhere except the united states & canada. you can get them in australia or western europe for a 50-75%-ish tariff depending on which country you're in..
Without knowing any examples of the vehicles that are for sale everywhere except, roughly, half the world, I can't really say much them. What I can say is that compared to the monstrous subsidies the oil and gas industry recieve, it does seem like those tariffs could be done away with. At least on the face of it, perhaps the issue is more intricate than that but I'm sure you grasp my meaning.
for the united states, it's actually pretty simple; it's about stopping chinese control of the auto industry and protecting ford, gm & chrysler from having to innovate. here's a short video with a high level overview of it.
Do people even need a car for a 3 miles trip? You can cover that on a bike in 15-20 mins at a chill pace... Also, 28% of trips are less than a mile? People can't walk a mile?
Not speaking for other places, but America is not made for bikes or pedestrians. It is actively hostile to them in the best cases, and filled with explicit murderous intent in others.
Drivers will actually, actively, try to hit you for daring to take to the roads. And you have to take the road because we have sparse or missing pedestrian sidewalks.
I wouldn't wish biking 3 miles in most American cities on anyone used to a properly designed nation.
Sadly, you are speaking for a great many places. I've cycled in most of the countries I've visited and it can be relatively dangerous.
If people want to see how to integrate a public transport network with a cycle path network, places like Netherlands and Denmark are leading the way.
Over here in the UK we have one of the most regressive attitudes to sustainable transport in Europe. Our trains don't work and cycling is barely tolerated.
This is just anecdotal, but as someone who both drives and cycles in the UK, I'd say it's city dependent. I live in Leeds, go to uni in Leeds and work in Huddersfield. I cycle to uni, cycle to the train station and drive to work (when I can't get a train for whatever reason). Leeds is getting there, albeit slowly but it's getting alot better for cyclists. I like the electric bicycle scheme so I can cycle to the station and just leave the bike there. although it shouldn't be more expensive than getting a bus.
Not everyone is child free and lives where it doesn’t rain
The Dutch do it... Rain or shine (mostly rain with crazy wind) with their cargo/kid bikes.
I am Dutch
So just lazy then?
I live on the Dutch coast and still cycle despite constantly shit weather.
I have 4 kids. Stop acting like a rodent.
Sounds like you're stressed from all those kids! Have you tried cycling? It's a great outlet and stress relief
Not stressed at all, I have a home gym.
Thanks for your concern!
Weight training is very nice for muscle growth and all, but have you tried cycling as a healthy cardio alternative?
If almost a third of trips are less than a mile I feel like the cars are being overused... I am not dismissing the legitimate reasons like rain or carrying kids, although umbrellas and covered strollers have been invented, but I doubt that contributes much to that statistic. If I were to guess, many of these short trips are to the closest mcdonald's drive-through, but regardless.
If gas prices weren't so low(because the US spread freedom to every oil rich country to ensure that), I am pretty sure these statistics would look a lot different. I am sure the urban planning and missing sidewalks don't help, but if fuel was more expensive there would be a lot more people walking, therefore creating incentive for a change.
This is you right, calling on car companies to produce even more vehicles?
https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/5400276
Gas prices are largely controlled by OPEC, which the USA isn’t even part of.
Thank you for all your colorful annotations.
Pulling things out of context I see... That thread was about supply and demand being unbalanced leading to scalping. It doesn't matter if it's cars, GPUs, PS5s or . It's how economy works.
Why didn’t you tell everyone to just ride bikes
Holland is also flat as fuck
Would be good for hauling large objects
I doubt the average person needs to do that daily over such a short distance.