I wonder if the people who wrote the law know that there are multiple versions of the 10 commandments.
They're pretty similar, but the numbers don't match up.
The commandment against killing is #6 for Jews and Protestants, but #5 for Catholics. Stealing is #8 for Jews and Protestants, but #7 for Catholics. Then there are some bigger differences.
For Jews #2 says "You shall have no other gods beside me. You shall not make for yourself a sculptured image, or any likeness of what is in the heavens above or on the earth below, or in the waters under the earth." That's effectively split into #1 and #2 for Protestants, with #1 being "no other gods" and #2 being "no graven images". For Catholics, "no other gods" is #1, but they got rid of the bit about graven images, presumably so they can have old finger bones people can worship, or statues to Mary. So, for Catholics #2 says not to take the name of their god in vain. Catholics make up for that by having a commandment against coveting the milf next door and a second one about your neighbour's stuff, whereas Jews and Protestants have just 1 commandment against coveting your neighbour's stuff.
Also, the Jews didn't seem to understand the assignment for #1, because it's not actually a commandment, it's backstory: "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage." So, Jews really have 9 commandments and 1 informational message.
Also, fun loophole. All 3 versions say "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." #9 for Jews and Protestants, #8 for Catholics. But, if someone isn't your neighbour... Loophole!
If you talk to many american christians, then the answer is whatever they personally learned or believe. You must believe the same as them and their arbitrary translation of the Bible. All other possibilities are blasphemous and a personal attack on them.
Source: my parents and my entire childhood in school and church
None of those versions are the things the Bible actually calls the 10 Commandments, which are in this chapter of Exodus.
Although I'm not sure what the state of Louisiana has against yeast in a blood sacrifice.
You know there's more than one version of the Bible, right?
Can you show the version that calls any other group of laws the ten commandments? Go for it. Chapter and verse, please.
So there is no difference for you between e.g. the King James Bible, the NIV Bible, or the English Bible from 1631?
I never said anything of the sort.
I said that the only group of laws in the Bible called the ten commandments is the ones in Exodus 34. That's true for all versions of the Bible as far as I know.
But, again, if you can find one that calls another set of laws the ten commandments, please show me the chapter and verse and the edition of it.
Would you prefer the KJV?
Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
The NIV?
Exodus 34:28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.
The ESV?
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.[a]
The Orthodox Jewish Bible?
Exodus 34:28 And he was there with Hashem arba’im yom and arba’im lailah; he did neither eat lechem, nor drink mayim. And he wrote upon the Luchot the Divrei HaBrit (Words of the Covenant), the Aseres Hadevarim (Ten Commandments).
Edit: A thousand apologies to you pissed off Christians who are learning that what Louisiana is demanding to be put on school walls isn't actually the Ten Commandments like they claim it is, but they're still wrong.
I just wanted to point out that while it has the same label, it does not always contain the same content.
And my point is that what Louisiana is calling the Ten Commandments is never called that in their supposed holy Bible inspired by their god and that there is part of that Bible, specifically called ten commandments that they are not discussing.
No matter how many people are pissed of by that fact, it's still a fact. Those so-called ten commandments are not what the Bible calls the ten commandments. And if you want proof, I keep asking for chapter and verse and no one has provided it to me.
And my point is that what Louisiana is calling the Ten Commandments is never called that in their supposed holy Bible inspired by their god and that there is part of that Bible, specifically called ten commandments that they are not discussing.
OK, now I get your point. Yes, those "ten commandments" would be funny to see in the classrooms. It might even teach some of the hardcore Christians and Bible thumpers something new...
Hardcore Christians and bible thumpers not actually knowing anything about their bible isn't new, it's very on-par for them
Yawn, you rattled all that off in four minutes lol. I swear people are just posting ChatGPT responses now, lemmy was nice for a minute.
Yes, it's called a search engine. It's how you can easily come up with Bible quotes.
Weird how no one has given me the chapter and verse of any other edition of any other Bible that calls any other set of laws the ten commandments. Just people like you telling me it isn't true.
Despite the guy yesterday telling me I can't be a Jew because I'm an American, I am familiar with the Book of Exodus.
Just people like you telling me it isn’t true.
Can you point out where I did that?
That sure seemed to be what you were implying.
I'm not sure what your criticism was if that wasn't it. That I was providing evidence for my claim by using the internet? How dare I?
You really can't figure out a very plainly stated criticism? Ask ChatGPT, maybe it'll summarize it.
I said, as far as I can tell your criticism is that I used a search engine to prove my point.
I'm not sure why you think using the internet on the internet to prove your point is a bad thing, but that does seem to be your criticism.
Either that or you're just lying about me using ChatGPT, which is silly. You can see for yourself how easy it is to get quotes from different editions of the Bible with a single verse using Bible Gateway.
So basically, I have figured out that you are saying something very foolish either way.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong rather than make some other "figure it out for yourself" comment as if I can read your mind.
There you go you finally got it! I absolutely think you used ChatGPT, if you didn't maybe consider that your comment reads like a robot wrote it. It's like reddit springing right up with bots and the same no-life "Power Users."
Although I’m not sure what the state of Louisiana has against yeast in a blood sacrifice.
I would think that's more not sacrificing something containing yeast alongside blood, not yeasty blood. Since offerings also, you know, fed the priests it would make sense to keep the blood and bread separate.
They needed #1 since they were never in Egypt to begin with. All archaeological evidence points to the Israelites being Cannannites that decided to kill their cousins, and claim they weren't related. They attached themselves to Egypt because Egypt was more powerful back then than the Mittani and the Assyrians.
Still doesn't make it a "commandment".
A commandment is an order like "You shall not murder." It is an action that you could take, but are being ordered not to take. How would someone violate the Jewish 1st commandment?
If it were something like "I am the Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, and you shall never suggest that that isn't what happened", then it would be a commandment. As it stands, it's not a commandment, it's just backstory.
Episode 31 of the Data Over Dogma podcast covers some of the issues with the "10" commandment. If you haven't checked them out you may be interested.
Edit: sorry I should have double checked the spelling, it's fixed now!
Data Over Dogma*
So for Jews god is that guy who ruined the BDSM party?
I wonder if the people who wrote the law know that there are multiple versions of the 10 commandments.
They're pretty similar, but the numbers don't match up.
The commandment against killing is #6 for Jews and Protestants, but #5 for Catholics. Stealing is #8 for Jews and Protestants, but #7 for Catholics. Then there are some bigger differences.
For Jews #2 says "You shall have no other gods beside me. You shall not make for yourself a sculptured image, or any likeness of what is in the heavens above or on the earth below, or in the waters under the earth." That's effectively split into #1 and #2 for Protestants, with #1 being "no other gods" and #2 being "no graven images". For Catholics, "no other gods" is #1, but they got rid of the bit about graven images, presumably so they can have old finger bones people can worship, or statues to Mary. So, for Catholics #2 says not to take the name of their god in vain. Catholics make up for that by having a commandment against coveting the milf next door and a second one about your neighbour's stuff, whereas Jews and Protestants have just 1 commandment against coveting your neighbour's stuff.
Also, the Jews didn't seem to understand the assignment for #1, because it's not actually a commandment, it's backstory: "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage." So, Jews really have 9 commandments and 1 informational message.
Also, fun loophole. All 3 versions say "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." #9 for Jews and Protestants, #8 for Catholics. But, if someone isn't your neighbour... Loophole!
If you talk to many american christians, then the answer is whatever they personally learned or believe. You must believe the same as them and their arbitrary translation of the Bible. All other possibilities are blasphemous and a personal attack on them.
Source: my parents and my entire childhood in school and church
None of those versions are the things the Bible actually calls the 10 Commandments, which are in this chapter of Exodus.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2034&version=NIV
Although I'm not sure what the state of Louisiana has against yeast in a blood sacrifice.
You know there's more than one version of the Bible, right?
Can you show the version that calls any other group of laws the ten commandments? Go for it. Chapter and verse, please.
So there is no difference for you between e.g. the King James Bible, the NIV Bible, or the English Bible from 1631?
I never said anything of the sort.
I said that the only group of laws in the Bible called the ten commandments is the ones in Exodus 34. That's true for all versions of the Bible as far as I know.
But, again, if you can find one that calls another set of laws the ten commandments, please show me the chapter and verse and the edition of it.
Would you prefer the KJV?
Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
The NIV?
Exodus 34:28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.
The ESV?
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.[a]
The Orthodox Jewish Bible?
Exodus 34:28 And he was there with Hashem arba’im yom and arba’im lailah; he did neither eat lechem, nor drink mayim. And he wrote upon the Luchot the Divrei HaBrit (Words of the Covenant), the Aseres Hadevarim (Ten Commandments).
Edit: A thousand apologies to you pissed off Christians who are learning that what Louisiana is demanding to be put on school walls isn't actually the Ten Commandments like they claim it is, but they're still wrong.
I just wanted to point out that while it has the same label, it does not always contain the same content.
And my point is that what Louisiana is calling the Ten Commandments is never called that in their supposed holy Bible inspired by their god and that there is part of that Bible, specifically called ten commandments that they are not discussing.
No matter how many people are pissed of by that fact, it's still a fact. Those so-called ten commandments are not what the Bible calls the ten commandments. And if you want proof, I keep asking for chapter and verse and no one has provided it to me.
OK, now I get your point. Yes, those "ten commandments" would be funny to see in the classrooms. It might even teach some of the hardcore Christians and Bible thumpers something new...
Hardcore Christians and bible thumpers not actually knowing anything about their bible isn't new, it's very on-par for them
Yawn, you rattled all that off in four minutes lol. I swear people are just posting ChatGPT responses now, lemmy was nice for a minute.
Yes, it's called a search engine. It's how you can easily come up with Bible quotes.
Weird how no one has given me the chapter and verse of any other edition of any other Bible that calls any other set of laws the ten commandments. Just people like you telling me it isn't true.
Despite the guy yesterday telling me I can't be a Jew because I'm an American, I am familiar with the Book of Exodus.
Can you point out where I did that?
That sure seemed to be what you were implying.
I'm not sure what your criticism was if that wasn't it. That I was providing evidence for my claim by using the internet? How dare I?
You really can't figure out a very plainly stated criticism? Ask ChatGPT, maybe it'll summarize it.
I said, as far as I can tell your criticism is that I used a search engine to prove my point.
This one, to be specific: https://www.biblegateway.com/
I'm not sure why you think using the internet on the internet to prove your point is a bad thing, but that does seem to be your criticism.
Either that or you're just lying about me using ChatGPT, which is silly. You can see for yourself how easy it is to get quotes from different editions of the Bible with a single verse using Bible Gateway.
So basically, I have figured out that you are saying something very foolish either way.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong rather than make some other "figure it out for yourself" comment as if I can read your mind.
There you go you finally got it! I absolutely think you used ChatGPT, if you didn't maybe consider that your comment reads like a robot wrote it. It's like reddit springing right up with bots and the same no-life "Power Users."
I would think that's more not sacrificing something containing yeast alongside blood, not yeasty blood. Since offerings also, you know, fed the priests it would make sense to keep the blood and bread separate.
They needed #1 since they were never in Egypt to begin with. All archaeological evidence points to the Israelites being Cannannites that decided to kill their cousins, and claim they weren't related. They attached themselves to Egypt because Egypt was more powerful back then than the Mittani and the Assyrians.
Still doesn't make it a "commandment".
A commandment is an order like "You shall not murder." It is an action that you could take, but are being ordered not to take. How would someone violate the Jewish 1st commandment?
If it were something like "I am the Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, and you shall never suggest that that isn't what happened", then it would be a commandment. As it stands, it's not a commandment, it's just backstory.
Episode 31 of the Data Over Dogma podcast covers some of the issues with the "10" commandment. If you haven't checked them out you may be interested.
Edit: sorry I should have double checked the spelling, it's fixed now!
Data Over Dogma*
So for Jews god is that guy who ruined the BDSM party?
How about the ten commandments as shown in the English Bible print from 1631?